Curious how HN is using this information to plan your investing approach. Does the typical approach, broad market globally diversified still hold assuming dedollarization?
De-dollarization: Is the US dollar losing its dominance? (2025)
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#322This was written in July 01, 2025, and lot has happened since then. Is there any update to this report?
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#323Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not true. Some, like myself, love the idea of the shining city on the hill, although we often find the behavior of the actual city less than shining. I would like for the US to continue being a beacon of freedom where people can come and build great lives. But that is not the direction we are going, and one might reasonably forecast that no country can maintain indefinite dominance. Paul Kennedy wrote "The Rise and F…
> Not true. Some, like myself, love the idea of the shining city on the hill, although we often find the behavior of the actual city less than shining. Your first sentence says "not true". Your second sentence says "true". Your dislike of the current US regime/behavior causes you to forcast the decline of US influence. I'm not saying you should like current US behavior, just that there isn't good evidence for any dec…
Yep, and nobody ever goes on these types of threads and says the EU is collapsing, even though there's demonstrable evidence that things are not going great for the EU (the UK left, there is virtually zero economic dynamism or tech investment, Russia has seized 1/3 of Ukraine who was trying to join the EU, and the continent has no money, no navies and terrible demographics to compete globally in the next century). People gloss over issues about the EU because it aligns more closely with their political beliefs.
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#324Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is about way more than a few tariffs. Think Venezuela, think madman jizzing over the idea of invading greenland, or just throwing tantrums on an international scale.
But Iraq, Afghanistan, Grenada, Panama, Vietnam ... were not a problem? Ahistorical BS, I am sorry. As if Trump is a radical departure of NORMS. Euros were chanting HO HO HO CHI MIN in 1968 in the streets of Berlin and Paris. There is a long tradition of anti-American feelings outside the US, like with any hegemon. The global left had to build walls to keep their people IN, crush them with tanks, from Prague to Berli…
classic whataboutism
if you don't think Trump is a departure from norms you aren't paying enough attention
Re: De-dollarization: Is the US dollar losing its dominance? (2025)
#325Earlier quoted context omitted.
The U.S. is as stable as it gets. It has been one continuous republic and has 250 years of legal stability and a history of paying its debts. It has 4.2% GDP growth, with the largest economy in the world and growing.
I am pretty sure the US has not 4.2 percent growth Source? I live in the US and I have lived in countries with 4-5 gdp growth
They are likely referring to Q3/25 numbers [1].
The problem is the AI bubble, without it it is speculated that the US economy might actually be in a recession [2] - effectively, that web of investments, deals, ownerships, purchase contracts and god knows what is nothing more than wash trading that will come crashing down hard.
That is why for the 99%, the economy doesn't "feel" like 4.3% of growth. If you're not in AI directly or at least adjacent (e.g. datacenter or utility construction), you don't feel any of that money.
[1] https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth
[2] https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/14/ai-infrastructure-boom-masks...
Re: De-dollarization: Is the US dollar losing its dominance? (2025)
#326Earlier quoted context omitted.
The U.S. is as stable as it gets. It has been one continuous republic and has 250 years of legal stability and a history of paying its debts. It has 4.2% GDP growth, with the largest economy in the world and growing.
I am pretty sure the US has not 4.2 percent growth Source? I live in the US and I have lived in countries with 4-5 gdp growth
The latest US GDP print is the Q3 2025 Initial Estimate, showing real GDP grew at a 4.3% annual rate
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/us-economy-grew-thi...
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#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
Suffers from no government having a stake in it. If it causes them problems, it can easily become illegal.
Precisely this makes it attractive. If it can't be _your_ currency let it at least be a currency no other nation controls.
> If it can't be _your_ currency let it at least be a currency no other nation controls
At that point just hoard resources. Holding a bunch of Bitcoin in a crisis is useless for a country if no other country will buy them off you in exchange for tradeable hard currency.
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#328What if the goal is to crash/burn and consolidate ownership? This time with the money system? I mean, it sure looks like the goal.
I don't think there is a single concrete goal, when you look at how flabbergastingly stupid most of the oligarchs are (just scroll through Elon Musk's most recent posts) it's hard to imagine there being any real master plan. It's a bunch of dumb assholes that were raised with infinite money and where nobody ever told them no.
If you've ever had the unfortunate opportunity to interact with your average CEO at a mid-level business it's the same thing but on a much smaller scale. They can't fail, only be failed.
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#329Earlier quoted context omitted.
The U.S. is as stable as it gets. It has been one continuous republic and has 250 years of legal stability and a history of paying its debts. It has 4.2% GDP growth, with the largest economy in the world and growing.
Your ruler is no longer following the rules of law, nor the foundational constitution. USA ended with their declaration of dictatorship and the failure of your houses/legislature/military to act against that and defend the Constitution. I can't see how, since the end of habeas corpus , you can claim legal stability. Your leader is World renowned for reneging on debts and is demanding bribes for companies to operate.…
Why is this getting downvoted?
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#330Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The EU decided to play the US and China against each other to improve its own standing, which is why the US is now moving away from the EU. This is sanewashig this whole thing. The fact is, the US is moving away from the EU because Trump doesn't like democracies. It's that simple. You have a large percentage of your population in what is essentially a cult and you have givem them the reigns.
> This is sanewashig this whole thing. This was being called back during the Biden admin and before Trump even ran again. Back during the Obama admin, even! https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/no-piv... https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/us-pivot-asia/ https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/europe-biggest-... If the US can't build strong coalitions with Europe, it wants to spend its energy els…
Honestly, the idea of Trump making geopolitically informed decisions is so out of the realm of my perception of reality I don't even know how to engage with you. Trump is a narcissistic idiot that you voted into power. Your geopolitical direction is dictated by his narcissistic whims. "National security reasons Greenland" or "EU collaboration with China" or whatever is exactly what I initially said - sane washing a lunatic.
But, anyway, good luck. You'll need it.