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Re: “Erdos problem #728 was solved more or less autonomously by AI”

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It requires constant feedback, critical evaluation, and checks. This is not AGI, its cognitive augmentation. One that is collective, one that will accelerate human abilities far beyond what the academic establishment is currently capable of, but that is still fundamentally organic. I don't see a problem with this--AGI advocates treat machine intelligence like some sort of God that will smite non-believers and reward…

>AGI advocates treat machine intelligence like some sort of God that will smite non-believers and reward the faithful. >The real world is not composed of rewards and punishments. Most "AGI advocates" say that AGI is coming, sooner rather than later, and it will fundamentally reshape our world. On its own that's purely descriptive. In my experience, most of the alleged "smiting" comes from the skeptics simply being wr…

You should look into “Roko’s Basilisic,” its a genuine belief that often goes alongside that of AGI.

Re: “Erdos problem #728 was solved more or less autonomously by AI”

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And none of those details matter to solve the problem correctly. I'm purposefully not putting any answers here because I want to see if future generations of these tools suddenly see the non-obvious solution. But you are right about the fact that the details matter, one detail is mentioned very explicitly that holds the key. If you do solve it don't post the answer.

Sure they, do, the problem makes no sense as stated. The solution to the stated problem is to remove all weights all at once, solved. Or even two at a time, opposite the centre of gravity. Solved, but not what you're asking I assume? You didn't even label your ASCII art, so I've no clue what you mean, are the bars at the end the supports or weights? Can I only remove one weight at a time? Initially I assumed you mean…

And yet, two people have solved it independently, so apparently it is adequately specified for some.

Re: “Erdos problem #728 was solved more or less autonomously by AI”

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It requires constant feedback, critical evaluation, and checks. This is not AGI, its cognitive augmentation. One that is collective, one that will accelerate human abilities far beyond what the academic establishment is currently capable of, but that is still fundamentally organic. I don't see a problem with this--AGI advocates treat machine intelligence like some sort of God that will smite non-believers and reward…

> It requires constant feedback, critical evaluation, and checks. This is not AGI, its cognitive augmentation. To me that doesn't sound qualitatively different from a PhD student. Are they just cognitive augmentation for their mentor? In any case, I wasn't trying to argue that this system as-is is AGI, but just that it's no longer "ridiculous", and that this to me looks like a herald of AGI, as the portion being done…

People would say the same thing about a calculator, or computation in general. Just like any machine it must be constructed purposefully to be useful, and once we require something which exceeds that purpose it must be constructed once again. Only time will tell the limits of human intelligence, now that AI is integrating into society and industry.

Re: “Erdos problem #728 was solved more or less autonomously by AI”

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This is a great achievement for AI! I quickly read through the thread but found that Tao's page on Github to be easier to comprehend,

https://github.com/teorth/erdosproblems/wiki/AI-contribution...

It classifies the advancements based on the level of AI input. In particular, the entry in Table 1 related to the original post has both a green and yellow light, reflecting the skepticism from others.

Re: “Erdos problem #728 was solved more or less autonomously by AI”

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How do you verify that the AI translation to Lean is a correct formalization of the problem? In other fields, generative AI is very good at making up plausible sounding lies, so I'm wondering how likely that is for this usage.

That's what's covered by the "assuming you have formalized the statement correctly" parenthetical. Given a formal statement of what you want, Lean can validate that the steps in a (tedious) machine-readable purported proof are valid and imply the result from accepted axioms. This is not AI, but a tiny, well reviewed kernel that only accepts correct formal logic arguments. So, if you have a formal statement that you'v…

>That's what's covered by the "assuming you have formalized the statement correctly" parenthetical.

Sure. But it's fair to ask how to validate that assumption.

Re: “Erdos problem #728 was solved more or less autonomously by AI”

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That's what's covered by the "assuming you have formalized the statement correctly" parenthetical. Given a formal statement of what you want, Lean can validate that the steps in a (tedious) machine-readable purported proof are valid and imply the result from accepted axioms. This is not AI, but a tiny, well reviewed kernel that only accepts correct formal logic arguments. So, if you have a formal statement that you'v…

>That's what's covered by the "assuming you have formalized the statement correctly" parenthetical. Sure. But it's fair to ask how to validate that assumption.

Skilled humans must understand the problem and write the theorem statement.

Re: “Erdos problem #728 was solved more or less autonomously by AI”

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I think the question is, how can humans have verification that the problem statement was correctly encoded into that Lean specification?

The problem statement is apparently > Let C>0 and ϵ>0 be sufficiently small. Are there infinitely many integers a,b,n with a≥ϵn and b≥ϵn such that a!b!∣n!(a+b−n)! and a+b>n+Clogn? Which seems like it's the type of thing you give as a homework problem to state formally in an intro class.

Everyone has a different perspective, based on their math background. From the OP's perspective, the formalization of this problem statement was apparently worth talking about. On the other hand, for you it's just a homework problem that belongs in an intro class.

Let's just be generous and try to accept these differences.

Re: “Erdos problem #728 was solved more or less autonomously by AI”

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I think the question is, how can humans have verification that the problem statement was correctly encoded into that Lean specification?

The problem statement is apparently > Let C>0 and ϵ>0 be sufficiently small. Are there infinitely many integers a,b,n with a≥ϵn and b≥ϵn such that a!b!∣n!(a+b−n)! and a+b>n+Clogn? Which seems like it's the type of thing you give as a homework problem to state formally in an intro class.

Yeah people dramatically overestimate the difficulty of getting one's definitions correct for most problems, especially when you are doing an end to end proof rather than just axiomatizing some system. They are still worth looking at carefully, especially for AI-generated proofs where you don't get the immediate feedback that you do as a human when something you expect to be hard goes through easily, but contrary to what seems to be popular belief here they are generally much easier to verify than the corresponding proof (in the case of formally verified software, the corresponding analogy is verifying that the spec is what you want vs. verifying that the program matches the spec; the former is generally much easier).

Re: “Erdos problem #728 was solved more or less autonomously by AI”

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Are you an expert? Not gatekeeping here but I have no intuition for what is easy or hard to formalise. A lot of very simply stated graph theoretical results are apparently extremely hard to formalise.

> Are you an expert? I can't speak for ndriscoll, but I am a university math professor with extensive experience teaching these sorts of topics, and I agree with their comment in full. You are right that some (other) statements are harder to formalize than they look. The Four Color Theorem from graph theory is an example. Generally speaking, discrete math, inequalities, for all/there exists, etc. are all easy to form…

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