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Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

jdabney wrote: post #314
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #276

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Your link doesn’t work. But I assume you are talking about this label? I looked at the first artist and I found the artist’s music on iTunes. Everything that Apple sells on the iTunes Music Store has been DRM free AAC or ALAC (Apple lossless) since 2009. https://mountainfever.com/colin-kathleen-ray/ While ALAC is an Apple proprietary format, it is DRM free and can be converted to FLAC using ffmeg. AAC is not an Apple…

ALAC is open source and royalty free since 2011. https://macosforge.github.io/alac/

Wow. How did I miss that!!!

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Post by Dylan16807 »

chrneu wrote: post #219
cj wrote: post #182

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Some quick Googling shows 1 million streams pays approx $2000. You'd need 40,000,000 streams to earn $80,000.

be aware that payout rates change based on tiers and a bunch of other factors. So, it would likely take more than 40 million streams to earn $80k. I believe Weird Al posted his streaming revenue a few years ago. He had something like 80 million streams and said he earned about $12. https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/weird-al-yankovic-wrappe... There is a reason people like T Swift and whatnot tour constantly, it's h…

When he says "so if I'm doing the math right that means I earned $12" I interpret that as him exaggerating for effect. It's definitely not him citing the pay slip.

"$2 or more per thousand streams, split across rightsholders" seems like an accurate estimate.

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Post by junon »

virtualritz wrote: post #207

I just found out that https://annas-archive.li/ is masked by my German internet provider (SIM.de/Drillisch). I usually use a VPN but I had it switched off temp. to watch Fallout (Prime Video won't let you watch through a VPN). Only when I switched Mullvad back on could I open the site. I didn't know German providers do this.

Was also shocked to see that (Berlin, Telekom here).

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Post by Dylan16807 »

chrneu wrote: post #204
cm2012 wrote: post #179

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Spotify paid out ten billion dollars to artists in 2024. This is not small potatoes - total 2024 music industry merchandise sales was around $14b. Youtube also paid out literally 50x more to creators in 2024 than Patreon had total subscriptions on the platform. These big platform payouts matter a lot.

99% of that 10 billion went to a handful of artists. Actually, I'd wager nearly half of it went to labels and other middlemen, but that's beside the point. The vast majority of money in the music industry never trickles down, ever. edit: I looked it up, 70% of spotify's payouts go directly to labels, not artists. So...that $10 bil is nothing. This is by design and it's the same broken system that metallica defended i…

Labels suck but when we're considering the merits of Spotify it's not their fault and artists can put music on the service without an abusive label.

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Post by junon »

al_borland wrote: post #271
walthamstow wrote: post #206

Very interesting that a white noise track for babies is the 4th most popular track on Spotify.

I find it so odd that people then to streaming services for stuff like this. I have a dedicated white noise machine, and when I travel, I use the white noise (bright noise actually) built into the iPhone. Relying on an external hosted service would never cross my mind, and surely wouldn’t be something I go to on a daily basis.

It's not odd if you aren't the type who frequents hacker news. We are, after all, very much in a bubble here.

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Post by rendaw »

Looking at the analysis, I'm totally surprised opera and psytrance are so prolific.

Psy-trance... I thought it was the same as any other electronic genres, but do people get high and just start shoveling psy-trance tracks out or something?

Opera I thought was a very strict discipline, needing rigorous somewhat esoteric training in order to produce the right sounds. How could there be so many opera artists?

I mean, I'm sure there's some misclassification, but chamber music is basically a couple people with any sort of music training on classical instruments so that doesn't surprise me nearly as much... I can easily imagine there being _lots_ of those, and you might come up with a different artist name for each unique set of people you collaborate with.

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Post by junon »

justatdotin wrote: post #260
1dry wrote: post #185

Yuck. Just to make it easier to train slop machines. The point of art is not to have completionist archives of EVERYthing that’s ever been made! Let it die. Death is the most natural part of life. Art is about the human experience, not “for researchers”. The point is human connection. Art is a living reflection and record of human experience. Art will persevere- the kinds of folks who prioritize what they like based…

I am having a lot of trouble following you. Something has upset you: what would make you feel better? do you mean that researchers should be disallowed from accessing art? I do not see how research interferes with all the benefits you prioritise. Can't you continue to enjoy those benefits? Many people think 'real' music has electric guitars. I think they're wrong, but why argue with them? I think it's fine if you do…

> I am having a lot of trouble following you. Something has upset you: what would make you feel better?

Don't talk to people like here, please. It's passive aggressive and unproductive. GP's comment was fine, if not a bit impassioned, regardless if you agree with it.

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Post by vel0city »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #265
xmcp123 wrote: post #245

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I'd have a lot more sympathy if the music industry didn't try all of the worst available options to handle piracy for years and years. They had many opportunities to get out ahead of it, and they squandered it trying to cling to album sales where 11/13 tracks were trash. They are in a bed of their own making.

You have been able to buy DRM free digital music from all of the record labels since 2009 from Apple and other stores.

You've been able to buy DRM free digital music since the 1980s.

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Post by kodt »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #268
fsckboy wrote: post #173

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> The thing is, this doesn't even seem particularly useful for average consumer it's an archive to defend against Spotify going away. Remember when Netflix had everything, and then that eroded and now you can only rely on stuff that Netflix produced itself? the average consumer will flock when Spotify ultimately enshitifies

There was never a time that Netflix had the majority of popular movies on their streaming service.

For their mail service they did

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Post by kccqzy »

gyrgtyn wrote: post #290

is there a torrent client already that is be good at partial downloads? I didn't realize how popcorn time worked until I read this thread.

All torrent clients must necessarily support partial downloads because of the nature of torrents. The files are split into pieces which are downloaded and then assembled by the torrent client.
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