> AI browsers are proliferating Are they, though? I get bombarded by AI ads very frequently and I have yet to see anything from those "AI browsers" mentioned on the article.
[deleted]
No AI* Here – A Response to Mozilla's Next Chapter
321–330 of 344 posts
Re: No AI* Here – A Response to Mozilla's Next Chapter
#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://www.perplexity.ai/comet https://chatgpt.com/atlas/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/edge/copilot-mode https://www.genspark.ai/browser https://www.operaneon.com/ https://www.diabrowser.com/ https://fellou.ai/ And many many more...
Do they have any users, though?
I downloaded the chatgpt one, tried it for a minute, thought meh, and went back to my usual browser.
Does that count as a user?
Re: No AI* Here – A Response to Mozilla's Next Chapter
#323If people could get into the habit of using "AI*" when they explicitly mean "LLM" but they have to say "AI" because hype, that would be nice.
It gets complicated. The * leads to
"* The asterisk acknowledges that “AI” has become a catch-all term. Machine learning tools like local translation engines (Bergamot) are valuable and transparent. Large language models, in their current black-box form, are neither."
And Bergamot is also a transformer based language model.
Re: No AI* Here – A Response to Mozilla's Next Chapter
#324I guess it's nice for non-technical people who don't know how to use `about:config` but beyond that I don't really see the need. Hopefully adding that extra layer of indirection doesn't mean the users will have to wait too long for security patches.
PSA (for the nth time): about:config is not a supported way of configuring Firefox, so if you tweak features with about:config, don't be surprised if those tweaks stop working without warning.
Kind of an aside, I mostly use Chrome but I thought I'd give Firefox a go again, Everyone says use tree style tabs but I couldn't get them to display properly without going to about:config to enable custom css and creating a new css file somewhere deep in the file system. It's stuff like that that makes everyone use Chrome.
Re: No AI* Here – A Response to Mozilla's Next Chapter
#325Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be more charitable to TFA, machine translation is a field where there aren't great alternatives and the downside is pretty limited. If something is in another language you don't read it at all. You can translate a bunch of documents and benchmark the result and demonstrate that the model doesn't completely change simple sentences. Another related area is OCR - there are sometimes mistakes, but it's tractable to cr…
There's an older tradition of rule-based machine translation. In these methods, someone really does understand exactly what the program does, in a detailed way; it's designed like other programs, according to someone's explicit understanding. There's still active research in this field; I have a friend who's very deep into it. The trouble is that statistical MT (the things that became neural net MT) started achieving…
Do you know what is the SOTA rule-based MT? I used to be deep into symbolics but couldn't find much in the way of contemporary rule based NLP.
Re: No AI* Here – A Response to Mozilla's Next Chapter
#326Earlier quoted context omitted.
Aside: Does anyone actually use summarization features? I've never once been tempted to "summarize" because when I read something I either want to read the entire thing, or look for something specific. Things I want summarized, like academic papers, already have an abstract or a synopsis.
Yeah, basically every 15 minute YouTube video, because the amount of actual content I care about is usually 1-2 sentences, and usually ends up being the first sentence of an LLM summary of the transcript. If something has actual substance I'll watch the whole thing, but that's maybe 10% of videos I find in experience.
The problem here is that you are looking at a video in the first place when all you needed is short textual content.
Re: No AI* Here – A Response to Mozilla's Next Chapter
#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are not "wanting" to introduce AI, they already did. And now we have: - A extra toolbar nobody asked for at the side. And while it contains some extra features now, I'm pretty much sure they added it just to have some prominent space to add a "Open AI Chatbot" button to the UI. And it is irritating as fuck because it remembers its state per window. So if you have one window open with the sidebar open, and you cl…
All your complaints can be resolved in a few seconds by using the settings to customize the browser to your liking and not downloading extensions you dont like. And tons of people asked for that sidebar by the way. We have to put this all in the context. Firefox is trying to diversify their revenue away from google search. They are trying to provide users with a Modern browser. This means adding the features that peo…
It's amazing how hard it is for some people to understand that most users don't want to spend seconds (year right, it may be seconds it you already know what options you need and what they are) after every update to "customize" their software to work as well as it did before the update.
Re: No AI* Here – A Response to Mozilla's Next Chapter
#328Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Firefox is trying to diversify their revenue Nobody wants a browser that's focused on diversifying its revenue, especially from Mozilla which pretends to be a non-profit "free software community". Chrome is paid for by ads and privacy violations, and now Firefox is paid for by "AI" companies? That is a sad state of affairs. Ungoogled Chromium and Waterfox are at best a temporary measure. Perhaps the EU or one of th…
Mozilla the browser doesnt pretend to be a non profit. Mozilla corporation which runs the browser is a for profit company they do not solict donations and NEED to make money to survive. Its just that Mozilla corporation is owned by Mozilla foundation which is a non profit. >Nobody wants a browser that's focused on diversifying its revenue I want a browser that has a sustainable business model so it wont collapse some…
Mozilla corp exists only to serve the foundation which owns the Firefox browser. That's the theory and associated legal fiction of course. Reality differs, but that is exactly what gp is complaining about.
Re: No AI* Here – A Response to Mozilla's Next Chapter
#329This whole backlash to firefox wanting to introduce AI feels a little knee-jerky. We don't know if firefox might want to roll out their own locally hosted LLM model that then they plug into.. and if so, if would cut down on the majority of the knee jerk complaints. I think people want AI in the browser, they just don't want it to be the big-corp hosted AI... [Update]: as I posted below, sample use cases would include…
I don't feel like I want AI in my browser. I'm not sure what I'd do with it. Maybe translation?
I don't even want translation in my browser.
Re: No AI* Here – A Response to Mozilla's Next Chapter
#330Earlier quoted context omitted.
Bad defaults are bad defaults, and "you can turn them off" is not a good excuse for bad defaults continuing to be bad defaults
It is the default in every major browser at this point. https://chromeenterprise.google/policies/#GenAiDefaultSettin...
And Mozilla copying what every other browser (read: Chrome) does is exactly why thy no longer have any relevant market share.