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Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Post by throwaway198846 »

jack_tripper wrote: post #291
throwaway198846 wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of being sarcastic you could be good faith and provide further information and explore what happened and explain what do you think Israel should do differently?

>Instead of being sarcastic you could be good faith What was bad faith? I told you what happened. I was sarcastic because your comment was redundant and didn't add anything to the conversation, only instigating. > and provide further information explore what happened How does that change the situation? Are you the head prosecutor of Israel and looking to rectify the situation? >what you think Israel should do differe…

Becuase you made an argument with a single supporting example yet didn't name any name that could be used to verify what you said and let other people judge the case nor have you explained at any point of there was any court procedure in Israel about extradition and whatever he ended up extradited. How are we supposed to disscus particulars like that? Resorting to sarcasm so fast that you aren't interested in genuine discussion. Furthermore if he wasn't extradited, you could use this discussion to make him more (in)famous.

> How does that change the situation? Are you the head prosecutor of Israel and looking to rectify the situation?

You were claiming that many criminals abuse Israel extradition system to esapce the law. I was making (implicit) claim that there is nothing special about it and if there was abduance of such cases is merely because more people in your country had means to escape to Israel than to other places. As already explained you provided a sole lacking in information example and I wanted more.

And because you were being glib, I will be too, yes for all you know I am Israel's head prosecutor.

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Post by trollbridge »

latexr wrote: post #32
Pooge wrote: post #15

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I think parent commenter was talking about random people "working"[1] for charities and stopping you on the street. If one wanted to donate, why would they do it through a stranger on the street and not directly to their website? However, if you give a homeless person money and they go buy drugs, I think you effectively made them poorer. I would advise giving them food instead.[2] [1]: Word in quotes because there is…

Not every homeless person needs or wants food at every single time. Certainly not fast food fries covered in salt that get nasty if not eaten right away, that’s not a meal. Sometimes a homeless person needs a blanket, or a bus ticket, or just a safe place for a few hours. If you don’t want to give money, that’s your prerogative, but don’t simply assume food. Ask.

I once exited an excellent Indian restaurant in San Diego with a bag of takeout food I had just picked up. Someone approached me and asked me for some money “to buy a burger”. I offered him my food bag and said it’s really good, fresh, and I just picked it up.

He took the bag, waited until I wasn’t looking, then set it down on the sidewalk and walked away. He was not interested in food, nor was he hungry.

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Post by IAmBroom »

laughingcurve wrote: post #309
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #259

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> doesn't force anyone to build an industrialized scam on top of it The incentives are there. Our economy runs on incentives. Create a vulnerable group and the sharks smell blood in the water.

Incentives don’t remove agency. They might have incentives… but these are awful scum who deserve nothing but contempt

Well, that's a pretty bold stance. Scammers who steal from dying children are bad people? Geez...

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Post by trollbridge »

lambdaone wrote: post #257
latexr wrote: post #68

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> However, understand the context: the beggar entered a McDonald's and asked clients that were currently eating for money. He got offered the fries of a woman who didn't finish them. Consider the beggar’s context too. How many times per day/week must they go into that McDonald’s? Leftover fries are probably what they get offered the most. You can accept it a few times, but after a while they provide neither pleasure…

I have on several occasions offered to pay for food at a nearby sandwich shop or fast food place for beggars who were asking for money for food. None of them accepted the offer.

Yep - I do the same thing. Offer to take them anywhere they want to go and get a meal. I used to get takers, but I haven’t in the last 10 years or so.

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Post by IAmBroom »

redleader55 wrote: post #306
tchalla wrote: post #41

The root cause of the problem is that parents and children need to raise funds for cancer treatment in the first place.

I think it's more complicated than this. People with incurable diseases are desperate and sometimes resort to unproven, dangerous and very expensive treatments. Unfortunately, most people don't have enough money for that, so in order to afford them they try to obtain donations to pursue the treatment they think will save them. Places like Turkey, China, etc are heavens for this kind of medicine.

I think you meant to say "havens". Or, I hope you did.

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Post by trollbridge »

zwnow wrote: post #23
Pooge wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think parent commenter was talking about random people "working"[1] for charities and stopping you on the street. If one wanted to donate, why would they do it through a stranger on the street and not directly to their website? However, if you give a homeless person money and they go buy drugs, I think you effectively made them poorer. I would advise giving them food instead.[2] [1]: Word in quotes because there is…

Who am I to judge what they do with their money? I couldnt possibly know if they are allergic to something. Also not every homeless person is an addict. Even beggars can have agency over their resources. An addiction is not for me to solve, first things first should be to cover their basic needs, only then you can work on an addiction. Money is the easiest thing to give.

You should know that for an addict, the “next fix” is the first “need” that gets met. I am not convinced it is ethical to supply money to a pipeline to drug dealers.

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Post by jonhohle »

gmerc wrote: post #86
dev0p wrote: post #65

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It's likely caused by the very same thing that causes human beings to knowingly and willingly steal money from children that need that money to live.

You mean what's happening right now in US healthcare?

The fact that ACA is an insurance scam as opposed to healthcare reveals who is in control.

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Post by boringg »

jdranczewski wrote: post #24
Animats wrote: post #8

"The campaigns with the biggest apparent international reach were under the name of an organisation called Chance Letikva (Chance for Hope, in English) - registered in Israel and the US." Chance Letikva is registered with the US IRS as a charity. They've filed a Form 990. Location is Brooklyn, NY. [1] Address is listed. It's a small house. It's also incorporated as CHANCE LETIKVA, INC. in New York State. Address matc…

The article says they visited both the US and Israel registration addresses and didn't find the organisation's offices. I was impressed by the amount of "on the ground digging" by the journalists here!

I agree - I noticed this as well. Also feels like it such an upsetting story that someone was motivated to really to the bottom of it. They also probably knew that if the story got traction people would be running down there own checks.

I mean it does feel like that should be standard operation for journalism on bigger stories but I think our expectations from journalists have really fallen over the last 5 years with all the slop coming in.

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Post by trollbridge »

jack_tripper wrote: post #175
zwnow wrote: post #163

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> no German is forced to beg on the streets. This is such an uneducated and entitled comment just showing how little regular people know about this situation in Germany. Its also one of the most commonly used arguments on this topic and its simply not true. Homeless shelters are overcrowded and extremely unhygienic. Our infrastructure isn't made for an ever-growing amount of homeless people. Law, rights and reality s…

> Homeless shelters are overcrowded and extremely unhygienic. It's not just the hygiene. it's that in those shelters you're constantly surrounded by a few mentally ill and possibly violent people who will lash out in unpredictable ways and make life worse for everyone with their constant tics and noises making you live in constant anxiety. If you're homeless but not mentally ill yet, then being in such an environment…

Where I live our homeless shelters are hygienic and not overcrowded (they will not go over capacity, ever, due to health code / liability reasons).

They are usually not full either. However they have a strict no drugs, no alcohol, and no fighting policy. That means a lot of people aren’t interested in going to them.

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