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Re: DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says

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>It's the moral imperative of every country to optimize for its citizens' economic prospects. Moral???

Any other motivation forfeiting citizens' interests are perceived as treason, therefore immoral, so yes.

So when slave trade advances citizens' economic prospects it's moral imperative for the country to facilitate it, right?

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> It's certainly better than the EU just rolling over for King Donald, which as a EU citizen is embarrassing. I'm seeing it more as buying time thing. In sourcing as much as possible in the EU is already in progress, as well as various trade agreements with different countries and economic blocs. That doesn't mean it isn't preferable to play nice with the demented guy to make the transition less painful in the short…

The problem is, the EU is damaging its relationships with countries like China and India etc. too, rather than building strategic alliances, On diplomatic trips, it often 'lectures' others, rather than listens. I think the EU is less and less liked by these other countries too, which is a disastrous combination when coupled with where the US is at imo.

> On diplomatic trips, it often 'lectures' others, rather than listens.

Like when?

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Since the supply chain is all from the same place, they can get so creative and resourceful. You can get 48 and 96GB VRAM 3090 on the grey market which is pretty awesome.

Where can you get 48/96GB 3090s? I know there are 24GB customized RTX 2080s (there were a few on ebay even last I checked) but I've never even heard of the 3090 being upgraded before.

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Since the supply chain is all from the same place, they can get so creative and resourceful. You can get 48 and 96GB VRAM 3090 on the grey market which is pretty awesome.

Where can you get 48/96GB 3090s? I know there are 24GB customized RTX 2080s (there were a few on ebay even last I checked) but I've never even heard of the 3090 being upgraded before.

eBay or aliexpress. A handful of people have bought it on r/locallama. You can search for 4090 48GB (I misremembered, they’re modded 4090, not 3090). There’s 96GB 5090s

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The problem is, the EU is damaging its relationships with countries like China and India etc. too, rather than building strategic alliances, On diplomatic trips, it often 'lectures' others, rather than listens. I think the EU is less and less liked by these other countries too, which is a disastrous combination when coupled with where the US is at imo.

> On diplomatic trips, it often 'lectures' others, rather than listens. Like when?

i.e. https://responsiblestatecraft.org/kaja-kallas-history/ - or from the Chinese side https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202509/1342651.shtml

This is not good diplomacy.

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> On diplomatic trips, it often 'lectures' others, rather than listens. Like when?

i.e. https://responsiblestatecraft.org/kaja-kallas-history/ - or from the Chinese side https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202509/1342651.shtml This is not good diplomacy.

Chinese propaganda full of nonsense falsehoods isn't better diplomacy either.

> Guo noted that the Chinese People's War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression was an important part of the World Anti-Fascist War. 80 years ago, the Chinese people made tremendous national sacrifices to save human civilization

Lol, that particular part is hilarious. Imperial Japan wasn't drastically different in terms of governance compared to Chiang's or Mao's China. All three were pretty brutal anti-democratic regimes. Chiang had pretty clear fascist inspirations too.

> showed a lack of basic historical knowledge

Indeed, Chinese propaganda doesn't concern itself with historical knowledge. Those are the same people who imagine claims to half of Southeast Asia.

But China is a bit like Russia, their foreign minister blabbers nonsense, but that doesn't prevent actual trade or deal making.

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i.e. https://responsiblestatecraft.org/kaja-kallas-history/ - or from the Chinese side https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202509/1342651.shtml This is not good diplomacy.

Chinese propaganda full of nonsense falsehoods isn't better diplomacy either. > Guo noted that the Chinese People's War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression was an important part of the World Anti-Fascist War. 80 years ago, the Chinese people made tremendous national sacrifices to save human civilization Lol, that particular part is hilarious. Imperial Japan wasn't drastically different in terms of governance co…

I don't think I ever saw a more illiterate comment in my life.

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Chinese propaganda full of nonsense falsehoods isn't better diplomacy either. > Guo noted that the Chinese People's War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression was an important part of the World Anti-Fascist War. 80 years ago, the Chinese people made tremendous national sacrifices to save human civilization Lol, that particular part is hilarious. Imperial Japan wasn't drastically different in terms of governance co…

I don't think I ever saw a more illiterate comment in my life.

Why? Neither Chiang nor Mao were fighting "the anti-fascist war". Both were more interested in fighting each other, for starters.

Imperial Japan being considered fascist is also quite the stretch. And importantly, neither of the two/myriad of Chinese entities was fighting "to preserve human civilisation". When they were fighting the Japanese for a change, it was because the Japanese were attacking them.

The article tries to position China as some "was fighting for good in WW2 so it's unfair to say current China is autocratic with it's buddies in NK and Russia". Even if it were true thay China was fighting for a good cause in WW2 (extremely debatable), doesn't in the slightest change the fact that today, China is an autocratic regime. How long is Xi's term? How long has he been in power? For how long will he be in power? It's the same story as Putin.

China's foreign minister might bitch about it all he wants, it's nothing but the truth. You can consider that autocratic regimes aren't inherently bad, and that's a debate to be had about upsides and downsides. But it is categorically nonsense to pretend that China isn't autocratic.

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Personally, I'm against both of those.

So just no borders? That's fair I guess.

One way to think about it: if every country prevents people from entering, the effect is exactly the same as one country preventing people from leaving.

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> The intent is there. The declaration of independence was written by one of the wealthiest slave owners in the country. "Moral imperative" was certainly not behind the american revolution. The economic interests of the elites were. There are no saints in politics. Just interests - mostly of the elites.

This is an extremely reductive take. Thomas Jefferson was a hero and a scholar! Think about the times he lived in, everyone lived under some sort of aristocratic monarchy, that was the norm. Certainly there were some economic interests at play in tge Revolution, but is it economically smart to declare independence from the most powerful empire of the day? Indeed, many of the "elites" at the time sided with the Britis…

Why historical did empires collapse or split? Was there always a noble reason that a portion of some empire declared themselves independent and fought a war for it? Maybe they just wanted to be rulers in their own land because they were young and ambitious and willing to put up with some risk.
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