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Germany votes to bring in voluntary military service programme for 18-year-olds

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Classic move: make the kids struggle, then offer them a lifeline if they just put on a uniform. The GI bill is great, but you shouldn't have to step on an IED to go to college.

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This is ridiculous, the whole point of European militarization is that they don't want to go to war.

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The S400 seems to do a good job of shooting down drones despite what CNN/MSN says. It has defended against several thousand drones in the last year. It also successfully used by India in the latest spat and India is placing more orders after its proven success in Operation Sindoor. Also, Ukrainian drones vary the gamut from cheap, but modern FPV drones for easy mass production to state-of-art naval drones, rivaling a…

> It has defended against several thousand drones in the last year.

The idea of shooting down thousands of cheap drones using the S400 sounds ... interesting, to put it mildly.

> It also successfully used by India in the latest spat and India is placing more orders after its proven success in Operation Sindoor

There's not exactly many options available to India if they want to have any kind of air defense. The S400 certainly isn't terrible, but India also has every reason to exaggerate it's performance. Not only that, but it's not like both sides of that particular conflict haven't already been caught in many blatant lies regarding their performance.

5 or so months after the war Indian Air Force started repeatedly falsely claiming that they downed at least five Pakistani fighter jets, and one AWACS aircraft. This claim is patently absurd and completely unsupported by any evidence, but propaganda is very important to the Modi government.

If India had evidence of them destroying a single Pakistani fighter, they'd absolutely be displaying that all over the place. They don't, because they likely did not hit any.

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> Does it tho? Cause in Germany there are no deductibles or co-pay. By the time we're quibbling about deductibles and co-pay, we're not talking about meaningful differences - and of course, it can vary widely. However, when your employer is the medical system, your insurance is usually pretty good. > How many hours do your nurses work for the money? 36-40 hours is a typical workweek. Around here, it's 36 hours. > How…

> 36-40 hours is a typical workweek. Around here, it's 36 hours. Didn't expect that, tbh. Not bad. > Why is there such resistance to just paying people more? Because I said elsewhere, nurses are mostly happy with their wages, it's the hospital management and de facto working conditions which suck. Higher wages won't fix these working conditions.

We're talking in circles. The way you attract people into a field despite poor management and working conditions is higher wages. That's the basic foundational truth of labor economics.

Simply importing people who are desperate for even a below-market (in Germany) wage means that there is no economic incentive for conditions to improve or for wages to rise, and that your own pipeline will continue to dry up, leaving you totally dependent on foreign labor. Aside from any other issues with migrant labor, what happens when that dries up? This is an extremely foolish, shortsighted policy that can be solved by the simple expedient of paying people more.

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When it comes to being drone operators or targets it’s probably a negligible difference

Actually you make a good point here. Women have better reaction times then men, so female drone operators, all else being equal, may be better at the job.

Source?

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I hope German teens are thrilled to fight America's wars

Russia invading Europe would be America's war?

Is America allied with Russia or Europe in this scenario? That's probably not what the parent comment meant, though.

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"Conspired with the nazis to divide Europe" - was pushed to reach an agreement with Germany by the other parties, Soviet Union did realize the danger of the nazi regime, and this was not the preferred course, even for Stalin's regime. "Used only sarcastically in Eastern Europe" You just forgot to add "after decades of antirussian propaganda". And still, there are people who don't think about it sarcastically at all,…

So now Soviet Union was "pushed" to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and to attack independent countries? I'm sure modern Russia was also "pushed" to attack Ukraine and Georgia? There's no need for antirussian propaganda. The Russian actions speak for themselves, have always done so, and will continue to do so.

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“The form will be mandatory for men and voluntary for women.” This is highly misandrist. I can’t believe that we are in 2025 and a - so called - democratic government is still denying women the opportunity to potentially go and die miserably in the front lines on equal footing with men. We can surely do better. Women and girls deserve more.

/s surely? Women stay behind or the population would face higher risk of collapse in heavy casualties otherwise.

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The S400 seems to do a good job of shooting down drones despite what CNN/MSN says. It has defended against several thousand drones in the last year. It also successfully used by India in the latest spat and India is placing more orders after its proven success in Operation Sindoor. Also, Ukrainian drones vary the gamut from cheap, but modern FPV drones for easy mass production to state-of-art naval drones, rivaling a…

> It has defended against several thousand drones in the last year. The idea of shooting down thousands of cheap drones using the S400 sounds ... interesting, to put it mildly. > It also successfully used by India in the latest spat and India is placing more orders after its proven success in Operation Sindoor There's not exactly many options available to India if they want to have any kind of air defense. The S400 c…

> Indian Air Force has repeatedly falsely claimed that they downed five Pakistani fighter jets, and one AWACS aircraft. This claim is patently absurd and completely unsupported...

This was also confirmed by several independent international aviation experts not only the IAF. The S-400 achieved a record-setting engagement by shooting down a Saab 2000 AWACS aircraft from a range of greater than 300 km.

Check out the analysis of Austrian military analyst Tom Cooper - he has covered this too.

> If India had evidence of them destroying a single Pakistani fighter, they'd absolutely be displaying that all over the place.

Umm..dude, the strikes were deep into Pakistani territory. Can't show the live site you know ? They did show satellite imagery.

> but propaganda is very important to the Modi government.

The IAF is not in the habit of lying and the government doesn't modify IAF briefings. The only propaganda here is sadly coming from yourself.

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The reason for war has always been to kill off young men, since they are disposable fertility wise and an internal threat to current holders of power. This has been the case since the stone age and will be the case until the end of time.

That was the topic of T.H.E.M. by G.C. Edmonson (or so I remember -- I read the translation "Die A.N.D.E.R.E.N." many years ago). Made for a good story, reality is a bit more complex methinks. There's after all a lot of money to be made with war.

Money is nothing but a representation of power. If it was about money itself, rulers could just print limitless amounts (which they have tried a number of times).
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