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The EU made Apple adopt new Wi-Fi standards, and now Android can support AirDrop

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Post by koyote »

llm_nerd wrote: post #131
koyote wrote: post #64

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> In Apple land, everyone already had a bidirectional, reliable connector Wait, I thought the Apple 30-pin connector was not reversible? USB-C has been out for over a decade now. There was only a small window of about two years where iphones had lightning and other phones did not yet have usb-c.

Samsung released the first USB-C Galaxy S device five years after the iPhone moved to lightning (2012 vs 2017). They had Galaxy A devices on micro USB a year later in 2018. A couple of devices like the Pixel ( 4 years after lightning - 2012 vs 2016) got it a bit earlier, but no, it wasn't two years. The iPhone rocking a massively better connector half a decade earlier than the vast majority of the competition is legi…

The Nexus 5x (and all models after that) had a USB-C connector in 2015, so did the OnePlus 2 (and all models after that).

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Post by pfannkuchen »

grimblee wrote: post #221
pfannkuchen wrote: post #193

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A positive effect from regulation does not rebut the general argument against government regulation of industry. The problem with regulation isn’t that there are never any positive effects, of course there are. The problem is it’s impossible to reliably avoid adding substantial friction to life via overly broad regulation that is not applicable but has to be followed anyway, or outdated but still-in-effect regulation…

I mean, housing and medical treatment are more expensive in the US because the market is unregulated and so the capital exploits the poor who can't do otherwise for those basic needs. You defeated your own argument ? Thanks !

These industries are objectively heavily regulated in the US. I don’t know what you are talking about. Maybe you would like them to be more regulated, and that’s a position one can hold, but that doesn’t make them unregulated today.

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Post by llm_nerd »

koyote wrote: post #321
llm_nerd wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Samsung released the first USB-C Galaxy S device five years after the iPhone moved to lightning (2012 vs 2017). They had Galaxy A devices on micro USB a year later in 2018. A couple of devices like the Pixel ( 4 years after lightning - 2012 vs 2016) got it a bit earlier, but no, it wasn't two years. The iPhone rocking a massively better connector half a decade earlier than the vast majority of the competition is legi…

The Nexus 5x (and all models after that) had a USB-C connector in 2015, so did the OnePlus 2 (and all models after that).

Two devices that sold absolutely minuscule numbers are not remotely relevant to this discussion. For non-Apple smartphone users, the overwhelming majority were rocking the atrocious trash that is micro USB half a decade after the iPhone moved to lightning.

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Post by morshu9001 »

xp84 wrote: post #300
JimDabell wrote: post #136

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You think Apple is going to make the user experience on iPhones – a product that makes them hundreds of billions of dollars a year – to sell more cables ‽ How much profit do you think they can possibly make with those cables? Apple came under fire when they moved from 30-pin connectors to Lightning because people wanted to keep their 30-pin connectors. At the time, Apple said that they wouldn’t make people switch for…

> “Apple came under fire … [for 30-pin]” So freaking what? Since when does Apple care about what customers whine about? They didn’t actually give a flying fig when users moaned about 30-pin to Lightning, did they? Show me how they apologized or walked that back. Same for the headphone jack. Same for the one-port MacBook 12”. And the MacBook keyboard - until class action got them - they put that garbage in several gen…

At least they put back HDMI on the MBP

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Post by morshu9001 »

JustExAWS wrote: post #315
morshu9001 wrote: post #287

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USB-C wasn't exactly standard when Apple put it in Macs. Nothing else used it yet, and they didn't have any transition period. Its sole purpose for years was to get adapted to other ports. And if you wanted to use it as Lightning, you basically needed the Apple cable.

You didn’t real need a transition, just USB C to USB 2.0 cords and USB C to HDMI cords. Unless you had the MacBook with 1 port.

The video dongles never worked reliably, especially early on. The USB-A adapters were less bad but still annoying. The end result was that everyone bought docks. Same as how removing jack didn't result in people using dongles, they bought AirPods.

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Post by morshu9001 »

llm_nerd wrote: post #132
morshu9001 wrote: post #122

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They had Macs on USB-C for like 7 years before the iPhone. It was going to stay like that. Mac on USB-C meant more dongles to sell, iPhone on Lightning meant cable fees and control.

>iPhone on Lightning meant cable fees and control. Strange, then, that Apple already moved the iPad Pro and iPad Air to USB-C, right? Didn't they get the memo about "cable fees and control"? It's almost like they were incrementally moving all their platforms over. The cable fees conspiracy has always been a weird one. At the absolute highest, MFi fees were estimated at some $80M per year. Do you know how utterly irre…

Their own cables were the most fragile things ever invented. There's no reason for that other than selling more cables. And it's not just about revenue, it's about control/lockin.

It's striking, iPhones have always been top except for charging. They were always dead cause the cables were so unreliable and difficult to find. Finally that's fixed, rare thanks to the EU.

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