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Re: Roblox is a problem but it's a symptom of something worse

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Post by yieldcrv »

people are pointing the fingers in the wrong direction, and its contributing to their frustration

until you find a way to legally tie off-platform behavior, such as on Discord, or the comment sections of a community, back to the platform Roblox itself, all CEOs are going to feel impervious and seem tone-deaf to lawsuits and the media

and it is factually impervious, Roblox' moderation tactics are comprehensive, the legal system goes after the people caught sexually harassing children, the same as how the legal system would go after someone caught sexually harassing children at Chuck E Cheese as opposed to Chuck E Cheese itself or the parking lot outside where the skaters happened to be hanging out

"but it's different and I'm a parent and it makes me uneasy" okay, heard.

Re: Roblox is a problem but it's a symptom of something worse

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Post by potato3732842 »

watwut wrote: post #305
RyanHamilton wrote: post #267

This is a sympton of something worse. The bigger issue: Roblox isn’t the real problem, it’s filling the gap left by the disappearance of unstructured, unsupervised play in the physical world. Kids used to build worlds, take risks, and form friendships outdoors. Now many have no safe places to roam, no peers outside scheduled activities, and no cultural permission to be on their own. So they do all that in Roblox inst…

Kids do not want to go outside. Even if parents want it and push for it, youtube, whatsapp, roblox, fortnite, whatever they have from steam is much more fun.

Kids never want to go outside. My parents locked me out until dinner. Worked fine.

Re: Roblox is a problem but it's a symptom of something worse

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Post by superkuh »

quantified wrote: post #8
superkuh wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or the parents. I wasn't aware the corporations were responsible for the raising of children. That said, I'm with you on reducing the abstraction of liability that is the purpose of corporations. I just don't think parents not parenting is the reason to do it. I also don't really think parents should be thrown in prison and families destroyed. The use of violent force in this situation, against the CEOs or the parent…

Parents understand that they cannot be the sole arbiter of everything for their children. Locking down your children's inputs is not fully realistic. If you remember being a child you remember circumventing your parents at every turn.

Yes. At the tail end of my comment I stated that calls for violence (forced imprisonment) against either CEO (like original poster in this thread) or parents (like me, as satire) for not sanitizing a child's entire life is wrong. Both are wrong. There isn't even a problem here. Certainly not one that requires the use of force to deprive humans of their volition.

Re: Roblox is a problem but it's a symptom of something worse

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Post by robot-wrangler »

darth_avocado wrote: post #240
robot-wrangler wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What important aspects of gameplay are destroyed by age-restricting DMs?

Parent doesn’t talk about age restrictions on DMs and nor do I. We are talking about physical keys and only being restricted to peers that you’d know from school for online play.

I'd say TFA and thread are both talking about this. Quoting the article-

> Understanding how attractive Roblox would be to predators, the company long ago could have blocked unrestricted contact between adults and minors.

Contact here seems to be about DMs or equivalent, since I don't think grooming and kidnapping preparations are happening in public forums? So with or without involvement of a physical key-exchange, I'd say that curbing private personal contact is the crux, and it's easily doable without effecting other aspects of the game

Re: Roblox is a problem but it's a symptom of something worse

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Post by lanfeust6 »

watwut wrote: post #305
RyanHamilton wrote: post #267

This is a sympton of something worse. The bigger issue: Roblox isn’t the real problem, it’s filling the gap left by the disappearance of unstructured, unsupervised play in the physical world. Kids used to build worlds, take risks, and form friendships outdoors. Now many have no safe places to roam, no peers outside scheduled activities, and no cultural permission to be on their own. So they do all that in Roblox inst…

Kids do not want to go outside. Even if parents want it and push for it, youtube, whatsapp, roblox, fortnite, whatever they have from steam is much more fun.

Kids want to go outside if other kids are outside. We are social animals, and the most addictive games for youth are glorified social networks. It helps if other parents in the area are on the same page.

Re: Roblox is a problem but it's a symptom of something worse

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Post by lanfeust6 »

potato3732842 wrote: post #322
watwut wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kids do not want to go outside. Even if parents want it and push for it, youtube, whatsapp, roblox, fortnite, whatever they have from steam is much more fun.

Kids never want to go outside. My parents locked me out until dinner. Worked fine.

Yeah I was periodically booted out. My only gripe with it is there were few others around. My closest friend and I mostly played video games in the living room.

Re: Roblox is a problem but it's a symptom of something worse

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Post by nh23423fefe »

pupppet wrote: post #276
RyanHamilton wrote: post #267

This is a sympton of something worse. The bigger issue: Roblox isn’t the real problem, it’s filling the gap left by the disappearance of unstructured, unsupervised play in the physical world. Kids used to build worlds, take risks, and form friendships outdoors. Now many have no safe places to roam, no peers outside scheduled activities, and no cultural permission to be on their own. So they do all that in Roblox inst…

I don't buy this. Roblox like most games these days employ dark patterns to keep kids hooked, the real world can't compete with the online casino. We had Nintendo, but those games had an ending. Today's online games don't end.

this feels wrong to me. when i watch my 7yo cousin play, he is talking to his friends in a virtual space and playing volleyball or racing cars or playing golf or doing a fashion show.

the cosmetics are stupid, but thats not the main thrust.

the real world can't compete because its expensive and devoid of children.

Re: Roblox is a problem but it's a symptom of something worse

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Post by crazydoggers »

RyanHamilton wrote: post #267

This is a sympton of something worse. The bigger issue: Roblox isn’t the real problem, it’s filling the gap left by the disappearance of unstructured, unsupervised play in the physical world. Kids used to build worlds, take risks, and form friendships outdoors. Now many have no safe places to roam, no peers outside scheduled activities, and no cultural permission to be on their own. So they do all that in Roblox inst…

While those may or may not be issues, I don’t think it’s as simple as that. Child abuse and pedophilia has been a scourge on children since at least Ancient Greek times when it was well documented and I’m sure even longer than that.

I believe the estimates are one in six children before the age of 16 will encounter sexual abuse of some form. Yet when cases like Epstein reach the news, people act shocked, even though it should be clear this occurs at every level of our society.

Ultimately it requires vigilance on the part of all of us and our institutions, and an awareness of how these predators operate. Even if you shut down one avenue they’ll find another.

So let’s not let those who turn blind eyes continue to be part of the problem but hold them accountable. Only then can we reduce all the avenues.

Re: Roblox is a problem but it's a symptom of something worse

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Post by sieabahlpark »

potato3732842 wrote: post #322
watwut wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kids do not want to go outside. Even if parents want it and push for it, youtube, whatsapp, roblox, fortnite, whatever they have from steam is much more fun.

Kids never want to go outside. My parents locked me out until dinner. Worked fine.

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Re: Roblox is a problem but it's a symptom of something worse

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Post by immibis »

foobazgt wrote: post #272
squeek502 wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Any Mods you create for Minecraft: Java Edition from scratch belong to you (including pre-run Mods and in-memory Mods) and you can do whatever you want with them, as long as you don't sell them for money / try to make money from them https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/eula

Is that legally enforceable? If a mod doesn't contain code / assets from the game itself, what legal rights does Microsoft have over the distribution of that mod?

It's copyright infringement by being a derivative work. Maybe. I don't think it's ever been tried in court. They can still blacklist you.
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