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Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by dijit »

mikeyouse wrote: post #237
tagyro wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

care to expand/provide some more info?

Durov had long claimed he was in exile from Russia and couldn’t return and that he was a UAE/French citizen. then records leaked that showed 120 border crossings from 2016-2021 and that he still held a Russian passport. One such border crossing was a flight from St Petersburg on June 18, 2020 which happens to be the same day that Telegram was unblocked in Russia… Lots and lots of smoke.. The Kyiv Independent article…

I was hit pretty hard when Russia was trying to block telegram; I don’t buy that it was a coverup. And there is only a single (anonymous) source for that whole article.

That said, would be good to rely on no central authority and use Matrix instead; or at least put OTR/Ratchet on top of Telegram with custom clients.

TG does not seem hostile to third party clients the same way Whatsapp/Signal are.

It would otherwise serve the USA for people to prefer Signal over TG (due to jurisdiction).

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by 0manrho »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #9

Is it safe to assume, then, that Google and Apple already have backdoors in their operating systems as likely requested by many governments around the world (not least of which the one from their home country)? Or is GrapheneOS the only one built securely enough to need to be leaned upon? Either way, makes Google and Apple look bad and/or incompetent and GrapheneOS look like some kind of beacon of user protection / p…

> Or is GrapheneOS the only one built securely enough to need to be leaned upon?

Probably has something to do with it, but GrapheneOS doesn't have the money or resources that Google/Apple/etc has to lobby/bribe/delay/obfuscate/navigate/drawout/etc such attempts.

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by Hizonner »

strcat wrote: post #285
LMYahooTFY wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this different from a backdoor in every phone? Some authority compels me to give them signing keys so now they can push anything they want, to any device they want?

They can't bypass disk encryption that way: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46038241 It does appear to be what they want from us, but it's not possible to bypass the Weaver disk encryption throttling via compromised OS updates or even secure element updates. It's fully not possible to bypass the security of a strong passphrase, which we encourage via optional 2-factor authentication support for fingerprint+PIN a…

Once they've established a rule that you have to help them in all cases, what stops them from forcing you to push an update to a phone while the user still has it, to collect information from the phone while actually unlocked and in use?

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by [deleted] »

Hizonner wrote: post #320
blueflow wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Le Parisien is not the french state. I doubt you had any interaction with the french authorities at all. You are unable to any legal recourse because none of your rights have been violated (yet).

Only a total idiot would wait to actually be arrested, fined, or even harassed, before doing something about it.

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Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by nabakin »

dang wrote: post #259
nabakin wrote: post #2

This is a better link from a French privacy non-profit but I can't change it now: https://mamot.fr/@LaQuadrature/115581775965025042 @dang or other mods, could you change it? Google Translated text: > Two articles in Le Parisien yesterday, followed today by one in Le Figaro, have launched a shameful attack against GrapheneOS, a free and accessible open-source operating system for phones. At La Quadrature du Net, it's…

Ok, we've changed to that from https://grapheneos.social/@watchfulcitizen@goingdark.social/... above.

Ty!

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by nabakin »

dang wrote: post #259
nabakin wrote: post #2

This is a better link from a French privacy non-profit but I can't change it now: https://mamot.fr/@LaQuadrature/115581775965025042 @dang or other mods, could you change it? Google Translated text: > Two articles in Le Parisien yesterday, followed today by one in Le Figaro, have launched a shameful attack against GrapheneOS, a free and accessible open-source operating system for phones. At La Quadrature du Net, it's…

Ok, we've changed to that from https://grapheneos.social/@watchfulcitizen@goingdark.social/... above.

Fyi it doesn't look like this post is listed on the frontpage anymore, even with the points it has. Not sure if it's intentional

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by capr »

moffkalast wrote: post #172
cedws wrote: post #130

Remember when they arrested Pavel Durov? I don't buy their official reasoning. Dear European friends, our leaders are tightening the screws. If we don't make our voices heard this is only going to get worse. https://x.com/durov/status/1976420399970701543

You know I didn't use to understand libertarians, but after years of watching boundaries being overstepped again and again I think I see the appeal of burning it all down and living in a cabin in the woods. Like, in Europe we already live in a completely safe society in historical and geographic terms, what more do you fucking want? Security is beyond a laughable excuse for things like chat control. Power tripping el…

try it, like these people https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7iJDMU43iUk

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by [deleted] »

Hizonner wrote: post #320
blueflow wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Le Parisien is not the french state. I doubt you had any interaction with the french authorities at all. You are unable to any legal recourse because none of your rights have been violated (yet).

Only a total idiot would wait to actually be arrested, fined, or even harassed, before doing something about it.

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Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by [deleted] »

Hizonner wrote: post #320
blueflow wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Le Parisien is not the french state. I doubt you had any interaction with the french authorities at all. You are unable to any legal recourse because none of your rights have been violated (yet).

Only a total idiot would wait to actually be arrested, fined, or even harassed, before doing something about it.

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Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by blueflow »

Hizonner wrote: post #320
blueflow wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Le Parisien is not the french state. I doubt you had any interaction with the french authorities at all. You are unable to any legal recourse because none of your rights have been violated (yet).

Only a total idiot would wait to actually be arrested, fined, or even harassed, before doing something about it.

Maybe he is going to get arrested, maybe we are observing an persecution complex.
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