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A new Google model is nearly perfect on automated handwriting recognition

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Re: A new Google model is nearly perfect on automated handwriting recognition

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There would be no point in going via an LLM then, if I had a specialist model ready I'd just invoke it on the images directly. I don't particularly need or want a chatbot for this.

Current LLMs are doing this for coding, and it's very effective. It delegates to tool calls, but a specialized model can just be thought of as another tool. The LLM can be weak in some stuff handled by simple shell scripts or utilities, but strong in knowing what scripts/commands to call. For example, doing math via the model natively may be inaccurate, but the model may know to write the code to do math. An LLM can…

In this case I'm building a batch workflow: images come in, images get analyzed through a pipeline, images go into a GUI for review. The idea of using a VLM was just to avoid hand-building a solution, not because I actually want to use it in a chatbot. It's just interesting that a generalist model that has expert-level handwriting recognition completely falls apart on a different, but much easier, task.

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> It’s already to the point of where if you’re not vibe coding you’re behind. I like being productive, not babysitting a semi-literate program incapable of learning

Let me be utterly clear. People with your level of programming skill who incorporate AI into their workflow are in general significantly more productive than you. You are a less productive, less effective programmer if you are not using AI. That is a fundamental fact. And all of this was not true a year ago. Again if you don’t agree then you are lost and uninformed. There are special cases where there are projects wh…

Bruh

Re: A new Google model is nearly perfect on automated handwriting recognition

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> Would it be better for my use case that it would have returned no data for the currency field? Almost certainly yes.

Except in setups where you always check its work, and the effort from the 5% of the time you have to correct the currency is vastly outweighed due to effort saved from the other 95% of the time. Pretty common situation.

Even in those setups it's better to leave the currency field blank instead of hallucinating something.

Re: A new Google model is nearly perfect on automated handwriting recognition

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Hit me up, if you can. I’m focused on neolatin texts from the renaissance. Less than 30% of known book editions have been scanned and less than 5% translated. And that’s before even getting to the manuscripts. https://Ancientwisdomtrust.org Also working on kids handwriting recognition for https://smartpaperapp.com

Sounds actually perfect. I’ll send you an email. Thank you!

Please do!

Re: A new Google model is nearly perfect on automated handwriting recognition

#325

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Let me be utterly clear. People with your level of programming skill who incorporate AI into their workflow are in general significantly more productive than you. You are a less productive, less effective programmer if you are not using AI. That is a fundamental fact. And all of this was not true a year ago. Again if you don’t agree then you are lost and uninformed. There are special cases where there are projects wh…

Bruh

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Re: A new Google model is nearly perfect on automated handwriting recognition

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Except in setups where you always check its work, and the effort from the 5% of the time you have to correct the currency is vastly outweighed due to effort saved from the other 95% of the time. Pretty common situation.

Even in those setups it's better to leave the currency field blank instead of hallucinating something.

You have the option to prompt it to do what you say. Of course it will not be 100% deterministic, but that's what evals are for.

Re: A new Google model is nearly perfect on automated handwriting recognition

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Reading HN comments just makes me realize how vastly LLMs exceed human intelligence.

" Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. " It's reliably a marker of bad comments and worse threads. If you know more than others do, that's great, but in that case please share some of what you know so the rest of us can learn. Putting down others only makes this place worse for everyone. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.…

Or I was just complimenting LLM progress in a snarky way?

Re: A new Google model is nearly perfect on automated handwriting recognition

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If I ask a model to transcribe something exactly and it outputs an interpretation, that is an error and not a success.

Author already mentions that a correction is still an error in the context of this task.

And then refers to it as almost perfect. Being unable to follow a basic command like that means it is “nearly usable” rather than “nearly perfect”.
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