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Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by potato3732842 »

thrance wrote: post #312
potato3732842 wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Wonder why people would take issue with the unqualified, armed, masked thugs abducting innocent people off the street and deporting them without recourse or due process. Congress can whip up a law making immigration infractions more serious crimes (which comes with better process) and day it chooses. ICE can send better qualified better trained agents any time it chooses. They can likewise be more fastidious about w…

You're missing the point of Trump's ICE. Scaring the opposition is their entire raison d'être . Abducting citizens randomly, wearing masks and using uncalled-for violence are their tools to achieve this. However reasonable your propositions are, it's pointless considering them. This administration is completely uninterested in refocusing ICE on their original mission.

You're the one missing the point. Even if ICE were "acting like professionals" it would still not make it ok to have roving bands of fedcops. Heck, change their issue of enforcement from immigration and customs to something else and it's still not acceptable.

The government should not have this type of force projection power domestically without going through at least the states or picking the nuclear-ish option and using the national guard.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by hopelite »

straydusk wrote: post #196
pton_xd wrote: post #12

What did they think would happen? Installing surveillance systems to monitor people is acceptable, as long as they're only used against the majority? I don't understand the logic here.

What kind of innane logic are you using here?! Yes, if the systems are installed for a reason approved by the public, and then they're used for a different reason, people don't like that.

That is rarely the case that they are “approved by the public” in anything even remotely close to a legitimate process. In cases like, was it Denver, where the city council voted against the approval of the $250,000 contract to surveil everyone’s movements, for the mayor to only immediately use his discretionary spending limit of up to $150,000 (or so) to approve a presumably smaller scope of surveillance.

In several other cities it has also led to all kinds of resistance by city councils and mayors in what can only be called an odd resistance against its own populace and constituents.

At least it seems that maybe something good will come of it when local people get more engaged and pay more attention and maybe even run for office against the corrupt narcissists of society that usually hold offices in local politics because people have not paid attention for a very long time.

Do you know your sheriff? Your city/county council members? The city manager? The mayor?

When you look at the deflock.me map and are astonished at how many cameras there are, you can thank people not paying attention in local politics and who their sheriff is, and you can thank the traitors at YC leadership who brought about this Orwellian system.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by potato3732842 »

whatsupdog wrote: post #315
potato3732842 wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to say that the people who championed them realized that if fedcops can basically arrest their landscaper over what amounts to a civil infraction then it has implications for them. Unfortunately I don't think the people who championed the cameras in the first place have that kind of self awareness and what we're seeing is instead the typically silent majority saying "no, I akshually agree with the privacy pe…

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Fine then, people accused of nonviolent crimes. Where you split the legal hair doesn't really matter much because the facts of the situation are unchanged IMO. Failing to get government permission for something that's mostly fine isn't all that serious of a crime IMO.

I'm sympathetic to the realities of immigration enforcement but I'm not sympathetic to the "oh, they're bad people so it's fine to violate their rights a little" line of reasoning that most attempts to categorize this or that demographic as criminal, criminal adjacent or likely criminal tend to move in the direction of generally (i.e. not specific to the current immigration debate or enforcement thereof, we could be discussing the DEA in 2002 and the same thing would come up)

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by SilverElfin »

whatsupdog wrote: post #315
potato3732842 wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to say that the people who championed them realized that if fedcops can basically arrest their landscaper over what amounts to a civil infraction then it has implications for them. Unfortunately I don't think the people who championed the cameras in the first place have that kind of self awareness and what we're seeing is instead the typically silent majority saying "no, I akshually agree with the privacy pe…

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by [deleted] »

whatsupdog wrote: post #315
potato3732842 wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to say that the people who championed them realized that if fedcops can basically arrest their landscaper over what amounts to a civil infraction then it has implications for them. Unfortunately I don't think the people who championed the cameras in the first place have that kind of self awareness and what we're seeing is instead the typically silent majority saying "no, I akshually agree with the privacy pe…

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

captainkrtek wrote: post #260
helterskelter wrote: post #217

I'm in the PNW and they put Flock cameras up in my area recently. Nobody likes them (libs or cons), and we've seen some rather creative approaches to uh...disabling them. One person took a pipe cutter to the mount and spirited the whole unit away, another apparently fired a shotgun slug through it, somebody else looks like they used it to relieve their anger problems with a metal pipe. Flock cameras, America's bipart…

Is there a way to see where they are located? Or which cities are installing them? Hadn’t heard of them til this week

The security cameras deployed in Lowe's and Home Depot parking lots are Flock. All the better to track your movements, citizen.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by ohyoutravel »

whatsupdog wrote: post #317
o11c wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd have no problems enforcing laws about illegal immigrants if they actually bothered to check and not just deport random brown people even if they're citizens.

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Deporting one person who is a US citizen or has legal status to be here is offensive and we shouldn’t tolerate it.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by SilverElfin »

potato3732842 wrote: post #277
gmueckl wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem here is that the law and order politicians world wide pretty consistently follow a pattern that starts by demanding surveillance tools to fight very serious crimes and those crimes only. Once they get that, they eventually start another campaign to allow use of the tools that they now have access to for less serious crimes. After a few cycles of this, you get a massive erosion of citizen rights. This is c…

>they eventually start another campaign to allow use of the tools that they now have access to for less serious crimes. Don't forget the part where the useful idiots cheer because "I hate street racers and package thieves" or "I hate cults and drugs" depending on the decade

People aren’t useful idiots for wanting to avoid being victims of crime. They’re rational. Stop trivializing the big negative impact street racing and theft have on people.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by thrance »

potato3732842 wrote: post #321
thrance wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're missing the point of Trump's ICE. Scaring the opposition is their entire raison d'être . Abducting citizens randomly, wearing masks and using uncalled-for violence are their tools to achieve this. However reasonable your propositions are, it's pointless considering them. This administration is completely uninterested in refocusing ICE on their original mission.

You're the one missing the point. Even if ICE were "acting like professionals" it would still not make it ok to have roving bands of fedcops. Heck, change their issue of enforcement from immigration and customs to something else and it's still not acceptable. The government should not have this type of force projection power domestically without going through at least the states or picking the nuclear-ish option and…

I think we're saying the same thing? Brown shirts are bad, ICE is currently occupying the role of brown shirts, therefore ICE is bad, yes?
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