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Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by tzs »

ang_cire wrote: post #234
super256 wrote: post #52

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The ID card allows age verification without disclosing the identity to the service which needs the age verified.

You don't think that the digital ID provider is keeping logs of which sites requested to verify which users? Even government websites are not exactly known for their high security.

The digital ID provider is only involved in issuing the ID to you. When you use that ID to verify age to a site the only communication is between your phone and the site. The ID provider has no idea when you use the ID, how often you use the ID, or where you use the ID.

Briefly, when the ID provider issues the ID it gets cryptographically bound to your phone. When you use the ID to prove something to a site (age, citizenship, etc) the is done by using a zero-knowledge proof based protocol that allows your phone to prove to the site (1) that you have an ID issued by your ID provider, (2) that ID is bound to your phone, (3) the phone is unlocked, and (4) the thing you are claiming (age, citizenship, etc) matches what the ID says. This protocol does not convey any other information from or about your ID to the site.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by encrypted_bird »

throwaway-blaze wrote: post #276
liamdgray wrote: post #269

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Some students even wish for a ban to reduce the pressure to keep up with social media. That reminded me of Warren Buffet asking for his kind and to be taxed more.

By "his kind" you mean human beings?

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Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by defrost »

encrypted_bird wrote: post #322
throwaway-blaze wrote: post #276

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By "his kind" you mean human beings?

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The issue isn't that billionaires aren't human, the problem very much is that billionaires are regular petty spiteful human beings with poor judgement, impulse control, odd beliefs and an the utter lack of checks and balances that can be disregarded when a human has a billion and more.

NotAllBillionaires, sure .. but it only takes a few to screw over millions of other humans on a whim.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by isaacremuant »

Aeolun wrote: post #297
isaacremuant wrote: post #290

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How about you parent your kid instead of trying to get the government to parent everyone else's? What the hell is you and everyone else's problem who want to get into other families' business. Disgusting intrusiveness and authoritianism.

It’s just easier to do some things if they’re prohibited by law. If you don’t want children to smoke, not selling them ciggarettes is a great first step.

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Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by encrypted_bird »

defrost wrote: post #323
encrypted_bird wrote: post #322

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The issue isn't that billionaires aren't human, the problem very much is that billionaires are regular petty spiteful human beings with poor judgement, impulse control, odd beliefs and an the utter lack of checks and balances that can be disregarded when a human has a billion and more. NotAllBillionaires, sure .. but it only takes a few to screw over millions of other humans on a whim.

I agree with you.

Frankly, imho, billionaires shouldn't even exist. No one person can get that much wealth, that much power, that much influence, without losing their humanity, their decency. It's just not possible because the only way to accrue that much wealth is to do horrifically indecent things.

So, do I recognize what you're saying? Certainly. But I won't be shedding a tear of sympathy for them. I lose all sympathy for them when they step on the necks of everyday people to get where they are.

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Post by LEDThereBeLight »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #281
JoshTriplett wrote: post #260

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And if they do it with their own money, it's their phone. Children prior to 18 are not subhuman. If you're old enough to buy your own phone, you're old enough to decide whether and how to use it.

The idea of treating under 18s like they are human is extremely undesirable in the USA because it among other things opens up a lot of doctors to be held accountable for their participation in the mass mutilation of baby boys. It also holds a whole lot of physically abusive parents to a standard where their children could call CPS and get their parents in legal trouble for corporal punishment. Of course, these are in…

This is unhinged.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by rileymat2 »

Sleaker wrote: post #243
Jap2-0 wrote: post #175

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> they are... the beneficiaries of a more brain-dead, more bored, more asleep student body > 'peace and quiet' in the classroom is mistaken for educational success. To clarify, do you think that phones or the removal of phones leads to these outcomes? Do you think that teachers like or dislike phones? Or is the point that there are many biases both ways? > they have rose-tinted ideas about the way things used to be S…

You also can't have double-blind study on something both the participant and teacher know is present or not.... But that doesn't mean the study is invalid, it just means you have to account for it.

That’s interesting, what if they don’t know it is an experiment or that any study is being done?

School A bans them, school B does not. None of the teachers know a study is being done.

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Post by ulrikrasmussen »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #220
ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #188

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I don't know, maybe? Maybe it's not up to the state to decide whether my kids developmental metrics allows them screen time before age 13? What kind of nanny state is that?

I don't think that's a nanny state. you can't give your kid alcohol for example at that age, let them drive, get married (don't get me started on some countries!), operate a chainsaw or other dangerous machinery. This is a danger to their mental development. Look at teacher forums all over. r/Teachers on reddit should be illuminating. Tech and parents sticking devices to their kids instead of raising them properly ha…

My kids (6 and 8) are pretty well raised I'd say, but they do have access to a Playstation and a PC, with clear rules and time limits for use. They are good at making friends and don't do trouble in school, and they also have healthy interests other than playing video games. This is because we actively raise them so they can learn to adjust their needs and interact with others, not because we limit their screen time. The problem today is that many parents seemingly does not raise their kids well, maybe because they don't spend enough time together, perhaps because the parents themselves spend their time scrolling reels.

I myself grew up with a desktop computer from around age 7 and it shaped me early on in a positive way to be curious. Computers were also a central part of my social life. There are many positive things that kids can get out of computers, so I find the comparison with alcohol to be hyperbolic.

Re: Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15

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Post by ulrikrasmussen »

kranke155 wrote: post #72
ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #67

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*Only for Google Android and Apple iOS users. Everyone else who don't want to be a customer of these two, including GrapheneOS and LineageOS users, will have to upload scans of identity papers to each service, like the UK clusterfuck. Source: I wrote Digitaliseringsstyrelsen in Denmark where this solution will be implemented next year as a pilot, and they confirm that the truly anonymous solution will not be offered…

This sounds like a temporary issue.

Why? It's not because a hardware token based solution that will work on desktops is technically impossible, but they literally wrote me that they have no plans to investigate the possibility of offering that. This is officially the plan for the permanent solution.
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