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Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by aidenn0 »

ugh123 wrote: post #80
bemmu wrote: post #44

Senior Raya Osagie, 16, said she has to “think more in class” because she used to Google answers or use artificial intelligence. “Now when we get computers, I actually have to [do] deep research instead of going straight to AI,” she said. This kind of blew my mind a bit, as I had always imagined AI being used to do homework, hadn't occurred to me it could be used during a class as well.

That just sounds like lazy teacher discipline in class. Decades ago we couldn't even use calculators on some tests, but now (or up until recently) they could practically have a computer in their hands all class?

I commented on this elsewhere, but at least one local school recently simultaneously did the following:

1. Required teachers to have kids turn-in their phones for the duration of each class period

2. Banned teachers from kicking kids out of the class who did not turn in their phones.

Teachers don't enforce the rules here because they don't believe the administration will have their back if they try. They can assign detention for students not listening, but many students don't show up for detention, and meanwhile that student still has the phone.

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Post by aidenn0 »

bongodongobob wrote: post #213
zormino wrote: post #146

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When I was in university, I had a math teacher that brought extra chalk to class everyday because if he saw you on your phone, he'd snap a piece off and throw it at you pretty damn hard. Maybe that wouldn't exactly work in a high school but damn if Dr Murphy didn't have me paying attention in that class.

It's "literal violence" now and you'd get sued and lose your job.

That being called "literal violence" is one thing, but now a teacher telling a student "you should be ashamed with yourself" is also called "literal violence."

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Post by StarGrit »

eesmith wrote: post #319
StarGrit wrote: post #299

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Your reply is exactly the preachy response that causes people to be defiant and resentful. > Yes, people do all sorts of nasty and cruel things because they think it's kinda amusing. That doesn't justify the behavior. Blowing a bit of soot up in the air isn't in itself cruel. It is just a bit naughty. Now doing it in someone's face like I've seen in videos deliberately is not very nice and can be dangerous. I think i…

Define "preachy". Are you sure you aren't the one preaching the fun of burning coal and annoying people under the banner of "can't you take a joke"? > Who said anything about riding a bicycle is preachy? People burn coal while passing cyclists. Why? You yourself say that not all cyclists are preachy. > In my case it was Your accidental and short release of dark exhaust caused by driving an old vehicle does not fit th…

> Define "preachy". Are you sure you aren't the one preaching the fun of burning coal and annoying people under the banner of "can't you take a joke"?

What are you on about? I prefaced my post quite clearly. This is nonsense.

> People burn coal while passing cyclists. Why? You yourself say that not all cyclists are preachy.

Because there is a perception that cyclists are like this. Whether it is true or not doesn't matter. If a group of people don't police the most extreme members you are defined by those members.

BTW mountain bikers/bmx don't generally have the same poor perception IME as many other cyclists because generally the attitude is generally different.

> Your accidental and short release of dark exhaust caused by driving an old vehicle does not fit the definition of burning coal. City busses where I lived in the 1980s emitted a lot of exhaust. That was simply bad emissions control, not rolling coal.

Other than it not being deliberate it was "rolling coal". To get the black soot you need to just have poor combustion of a diesel.

This was what was happening because I had to push the throttle to the limit so the engine didn't stall. For all intents and purposes it is exactly the same thing as there was incomplete combustion of diesel and therefore lots of black smoke coming from my exhaust.

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Post by im3w1l »

theshrike79 wrote: post #216
Iulioh wrote: post #95

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Look, I had a zoomer colleague of mine ask GPT to solve a moral dilemma in a personality test at work... It's...rough out there.

As a certified couch psychologist, I'd wager this is also about the influencer culture and reaction videos etc. People WANT to know how to feel about things, so they watch how other people react to them and form their opinions on that. In the zoomer colleague case they most likely had a vague opinion, but needed a second opinion from someone (or something) to form their own properly Which is really sad.

> Which is really sad.

Thanks for clarifying. But to be serious, I think it's the drive for culture in action. I think culture comes from people glancing at each other and doing what they do, reacting how they do. I think it can be healthy actually.

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Post by aidenn0 »

eitally wrote: post #71
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #5

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Here in MA there is a 'bell to bell' phone ban bill in the works. I'm very happy we're letting kids be kids again. There is no need for a phone during the school day.

California just got strict about this, too. I have found a dramatic increase in the amount of interpersonal talking that's happening in school as a result, which is great!

YMMV. Passing a rule and enforcing the rule are not the same.

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Post by aidenn0 »

1718627440 wrote: post #79
bluGill wrote: post #33

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In class that is good. However at lunch kids should be talking to other kids. I know many teachers/schools are control freaks and so they would do such things, but it was always evil.

Have you never been to a room full of people/children? If there aren't these 'control freaks' in the room, then it gets louder and louder until to the limit where nobody can understand anything while all are shouting. It's surprisingly fast, about ~2 minutes to the maximum/stable loudness. This 'control freaks' are the requirement to allow children to have a conversation.

Properly treated rooms make a big difference for this. When the walls are painted concrete and the ceilings are unfinished this happens almost immediately; when the walls and ceilings are acoustically treated, it's much better. (Carpet makes it even better, but I would definitely not recommend carpeting a school lunchroom).

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Post by AngryData »

ForgetItJake wrote: post #196

Why is it that Hacker News is overwhelmingly liberal on most issues but when it comes to teenagers/children incredibly authoritarian and big government?

Because many people only support freedoms for themselves, the second someone else wants to do things different than they would they get angry because they don't understand why anyone would think differently than them.

Also they don't ever have to worry about becoming young again so they literally never feel the consequences of their ideals and actions against kids. They feel safe in completely dismissing concerns and actual reality because they are so far removed from it and can cling to whatever imaginary view of the youthful world they made up.

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Post by pixl97 »

LtWorf wrote: post #252
squigz wrote: post #142

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Oh fair enough. My apologies Mr Worf. I don't fully agree - plenty of shitty behavior gets ignored (or even encouraged) even in a workplace - but there's definitely some truth here.

It's way easier to change workplace than to change school, so I don't think it can get so extreme.

With a workplace if you can gather evidence and document it there's a significant chance of a lawsuit with a payout.

Schools are generally protected against that, and your only hope is to replace the school board, who is commonly bullies themselves.

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Post by LtWorf »

pixl97 wrote: post #328
LtWorf wrote: post #252

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It's way easier to change workplace than to change school, so I don't think it can get so extreme.

With a workplace if you can gather evidence and document it there's a significant chance of a lawsuit with a payout. Schools are generally protected against that, and your only hope is to replace the school board, who is commonly bullies themselves.

Yep, so HR people occasionally learn a hard lesson when they don't do their job to cover for their friends.

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Post by pixl97 »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #236
HeinzStuckeIt wrote: post #96

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> I think I learned half my basic social skills from lunch rooms in school What a lot of people learn from lunch rooms is not a happy social lesson. It’s who is allowed to sit where, and who is outcast from a table. It’s the shit teenagers lower on the social hierarchy have to take daily from teenagers who are higher, even if they are allowed to sit at the same table. High school is widely remembered as a brutal rite…

The social lessons people learn from their high school experience vary wildly . I have read many accounts of people who had bad experiences like this when they were in high school, and also many accounts of people who didn't have experiences like this. When I think about how the people I know have described their high school experiences, I can also think of a wide range of things. It's certainly not what my high scho…

Heh, we were at a family reunion with my grandparents in-laws talking about school. The topic of bullies was brought up and grandma said "Oh there were no problems with bullies" and I replied "thats because you were the bully.

Grandpa laughed heartily, as I may have hit a bullseye

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