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Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport

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Post by pksebben »

JCM9 wrote: post #108
justsid wrote: post #4

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The damage on the ground is scary to look at. I think the only silver lining here is that it was "just" a sparser industrial area and there weren't any homes. I'm really curious about what the investigation will reveal in a few months. This doesn't look like a "regular" engine fire from a bird strike or so, you would normally expect the flames to come out the back and not over the wing. And at least in theory the MD-…

Zoning guidance generally prohibits land use near an airport that has a high density of people, precisely to limit casualties during an event like this. Industrial would be permitted while residential and commercial use is not. Scarily there are communities that have ignored such logic and permitted dense residential development right next to an airport.

Fresno here. If this had happened at FAT (FYI now? We have dumb names) the casualties would've easily hit three digits from initial impact, and then whatever else burned afterwards because CA==tinderbox.

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Post by JCharante »

amelius wrote: post #266
fullstop wrote: post #186

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There was a young girl who survived the crash of Asiana flight 214, but was run over by a firetruck because she was covered in extinguisher foam.

> Later investigations concluded that Ye was already dead from severe injuries caused by being ejected from the aircraft. from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Airlines_Flight_214

biased investigations

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Post by bombcar »

rpcope1 wrote: post #290
bombcar wrote: post #132

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I mean the engine is laying on the side of the runway and the plane is seen on fire trying to take off; I'm going to go out on a limb and say maintenance was somehow involved. Well-maintained planes don't do that.

This is the MD-11 we're talking about here. As bad as the 737 MAX is/was the DC-10/MD-11 is kind of well known for having all sorts of crazy problems like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_232

Ah, the good old Might Disintegrate-11.

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Post by kccqzy »

rogerrogerr wrote: post #318
kccqzy wrote: post #312

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Per passenger mile is arguably not the best denominator. People choose planes because they are going long distances. Consider whether a better denominator would be per passenger trips. A 10,000 mi trip halfway across the world could have the same weight as a 2 mi trip to the grocery store. Or per hour travelled. By these metrics commercial flying isn't as safe as you think.

If I’m going somewhere in the continental US, my choices are to fly or drive. I’ll be traveling the same number of miles either way, so the relevant comparison is indeed per mile.

That doesn't explain anything. Specifically it doesn't explain why in our comparisons the destination is fixed. You could decide for this weekend trip we're going to budget a max of 3 hours on transportation. Should we take a three hour flight to a different state or should we drive for three hours to a closer destination?

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Post by SoftTalker »

tomhow wrote: post #158
cjrp wrote: post #106

The AVHerald is usually the best source for these things, rather than MSM: https://avherald.com/h?article=52f5748f&opt=0 > Ground observers reported the aircraft had been delayed for about two hours for work on the left hand engine (engine #1), the engine #1 separated during the takeoff run, the center engine emitted streaks of flames, the aircraft impacted a UPS warehouse and ploughed through other facilities before…

We updated it, thanks. (Original URL was https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ups-plane-crash-louisville-kent... ).

PPRuNe[1] is another good one. Just be aware that all of these sites have a mixture of commentary by professionals in the air transport industry, amateur enthusiasts, and random bystanders.

Best advice is always to wait for authoritative statements.

https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close-calls/669082-ups-md11...

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Post by potato3732842 »

IAmBroom wrote: post #231
watwut wrote: post #223

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Is that actual statistic?

rogerrogerr, I suspect that stat involves all deaths, not just to passengers. The vast majority of deaths by train involve "trespassers", which is code for "dimwits who bypassed crossing gates and got smashed by the train that couldn't stop". Usually not even the train drivers are injured, much less the passengers. But airplanes are very safe - perhaps mostly because it's hard for idiots to drive in front of them.

> which is code for "dimwits who bypassed crossing gates and got smashed by the train that couldn't stop".

It's code for suicide. The remainder are as you described.

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Post by duped »

Moto7451 wrote: post #201
JCM9 wrote: post #108

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Zoning guidance generally prohibits land use near an airport that has a high density of people, precisely to limit casualties during an event like this. Industrial would be permitted while residential and commercial use is not. Scarily there are communities that have ignored such logic and permitted dense residential development right next to an airport.

Jets are also simply too loud for homes under the takeoff path in standard use. There’s what amounts to a ghost town next to LAX due to this and the history of the airport. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palisades_del_Rey,_California Burbank Airport has quiet hours and has left a bunch of commercially zoned area under that takeoff path. I’m in Atlanta now and they bought up a lot of land around the airport when redeve…

Meanwhile, ORD is surrounded by residential areas and they're building a new tollway perpendicular to the runways

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Post by potato3732842 »

hshdhdhehd wrote: post #95
fuzzythinker wrote: post #84

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Or a ramp with "one-way teeth" that stops it with gravity and stops it from sliding back down with teeth.

The plane is fast and heavy.

And fragile and will go splat if you try and do anything approaching a runaway truck ramp to it.

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Post by Diederich »

sys32768 wrote: post #208

In 1986, I lived a mile or so from where a mid-air collision sent a DC-9 crashing into a neighborhood, which killed 15 people on the ground: https://www.presstelegram.com/2016/08/30/cerritos-plane-cras... Every time I board a plane, I think what a crazy thing I am doing, but then I remember that I could be safe and snug in my house and still be in a plane crash.

I also lived not too far from that location, and unfortunately got a glimpse of the aircraft as it was spiraling down. The scene on the ground was pretty hellish.

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Post by [deleted] »

dmd wrote: post #219
coddingtonbear wrote: post #217

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Forgive me, but by what possible metric: miles traveled in it?

Given an hour spent flying in a commercial US-flagged airliner or an hour spent in your living room, and you're (far) more likely to get hurt or die in your living room.

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