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Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by brnt »

brendoelfrendo wrote: post #295
preya2k wrote: post #260

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Actually, it's already been done by the former Nextcloud fork/predecessor. OwnCloud shared a big percentage of the Nextcloud codebase, but they decided to rewrite everything under the name OCIS (OwnCloud Infinite Scale) a couple of years ago. Recently, OwnCloud got acquired by Kiteworks and it seemed like they got in a fight with most of the staff. So big parts of the team left to start "OpenCloud", which is a fork o…

I have OpenCloud working on my home server, and it features integration with the Collabora suite of software for office apps. Draw.io is also already supported.

They offer a Docker compose file that sets up Collabora for you, but I can't find anything info on other apps, let alone integration. Where can I see what they support?

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by noname120 »

palata wrote: post #286
noname120 wrote: post #283

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Nextcloud mobile app is crap but fortunately it’s just WebDAV so you can use any other WebDAV app for synchronization.

That's a good point! Are there good WebDAV apps synchronising, say the Photo gallery on iOS, transparently and always in the background?

Unfortunately Apple puts extremely strict restrictions on background tasks so you will never have something as seamless as native iCloud or the amazing Android FolderSync app that I used for realtime synchronization for several years without a single issue.

I know people work around these iOS limitations by setting up springboard widgets that piggyback on background refresh tasks to do uploads. People also create Automator actions (e.g. run every day at time or location based) in the Shortcuts app.

I haven’t tried it but a popular option on iOS seems to be: https://apps.apple.com/app/photosync-transfer-photos/id41585...

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by preya2k »

brnt wrote: post #321
brendoelfrendo wrote: post #295

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I have OpenCloud working on my home server, and it features integration with the Collabora suite of software for office apps. Draw.io is also already supported.

They offer a Docker compose file that sets up Collabora for you, but I can't find anything info on other apps, let alone integration. Where can I see what they support?

There are no "Apps". It's not a universal App platform like Nextcloud. It's just file sharing (and optionally a Radicale calender server via Environment Variable but without UI). There's optional plugins to open vendor specific files right in the browser.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by neop1x »

guilamu wrote: post #49
Larrikin wrote: post #39

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For your specific use case of photos, Immich is the front runner and a much better experience. Sadly for the general Dropbox replacement I haven't found anything either.

I'd say Ente-photo is at least as good if not better than Immich. https://github.com/ente-io/ente

I'm also a very happy Ente user. I use Garage for its S3-like storage, with one of the nodes running on my local network (LAN). My local DNS (CoreDNS) is also configured to use this local node for the domain, which makes everything very fast.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by zelphirkalt »

palata wrote: post #27

I would love to like Nextcloud, it's pretty great that it does exist. Just that makes it better than... well everything else I haven't found. What frustrates me is that it looks like it works, but once in a while it breaks in a way that is pretty much irreparable (or at least not in a practical way). I want to run an iOS/Android app that backs up images on my server. I tried the iOS app and when it works, it's cool.…

You could set up Syncthing. Once properly configured (including ignored files, that have names that cannot be handled by the backing storage or clients), you shouldn't need to touch it much.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by zelphirkalt »

troyvit wrote: post #84
63stack wrote: post #64

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Look into syncthing for a dropbox replacement, have been using it for years, very satisfied.

Syncthing is under my "want to like" list but I gave up on it. I'm a one person show who just wants to sync a few dozen markdown files across a few laptops and a phone. Every time I'd run it I'd invariably end up with conflict files. It got to the point where I was spending more time merging diffs than writing. How it could do that with just one person running it I have no idea.

The conflicts come of course when you edit a file on 2 devices before Syncthing had a chance to sync them. I mostly solved this by running Snycthing on a server as well as on clients, so that at least the server is always online, as a point of synchronization. So now I only get conflict files, if somehow my phone doesn't have Internet and I edit files on my phone, which happens very rarely.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by lachiflippi »

akoboldfrying wrote: post #278
lachiflippi wrote: post #162

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At the very least their app store, which is pretty much required for OIDC, most 2FA methods, and some other features, stops working at 500 users. AFAIK you can still manually install addons, it's just the integration that's gone, though I'm not 100% sure. Same with their notification push service (which is apparently closed source?[0]), which wouldn't be as much of an issue if there were proper docs on how to stand u…

> their app store, which is pretty much required for OIDC, most 2FA methods, and some other features, stops working at 500 users How dare they. I just want to share photos and calendar with the 502 people in my immediate family.

This may come as a surprise to you, but there are organizations, for example German municipalities, that have more than 500 users but can't afford to start pumping tens or hundreds of thousands per year into a file sharing service. Nextcloud themselves recognize this and offer 95%+ discounts to edu, similar to what Adobe, Microsoft, and Git[Hub,Lab] are doing.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by cG_ »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #268
benhurmarcel wrote: post #94

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I stopped using Nextcloud when the iOS app lost data. For some reason the app disconnected from my account in the background from time to time (annoying but didn't think it was critical). Once I pasted data on Nextcloud through the Files app integration, it didn't sync because it was disconnected and didn't say anything, and it lost the data.

I never had data outright vanish, but similar to the comment you replied to, it was just unreliable. I found Syncthing much more useful over the long haul. The last 3 times I've had to do anything with it were simply to manage having new machines replace old ones. Syncthing sadly doesn't let you not download some folders or files, but I just moved those to other storage. It beats the Nextcloud headache.

I might be misunderstanding what you mean, but maybe the .stignore[1] file is what you're looking for? Apologies if it isn't :-)

[1] https://docs.syncthing.net/users/ignoring.html

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

cG_ wrote: post #328
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #268

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I never had data outright vanish, but similar to the comment you replied to, it was just unreliable. I found Syncthing much more useful over the long haul. The last 3 times I've had to do anything with it were simply to manage having new machines replace old ones. Syncthing sadly doesn't let you not download some folders or files, but I just moved those to other storage. It beats the Nextcloud headache.

I might be misunderstanding what you mean, but maybe the .stignore[1] file is what you're looking for? Apologies if it isn't :-) [1] https://docs.syncthing.net/users/ignoring.html

Oh no worries, yeah that works like gitignore, I’m talking more like how Nextcloud and Dropbox let you like, have a list of folders and checkboxes where you can be like “this machine doesn’t need my family photo collection synced to it” kinda thing. Which to my knowledge syncthing doesn’t have.

Don't apologize tho! I appreciate the help!

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by nxobject »

xandrius wrote: post #258

I know people here don't like it when one answers to complaints about OSS projects with "go fix it then" but seeing the comment section here, it's hard to not at least think it. About 50-100 people saying that they know exactly why NC is slow, bloated, bad, but fail to a) point out a valid alternative, b) to act and do something about it. I'm going to say that I love NC despite its slow performance. I own my storage,…

I will admit: if NextCloud is competing against GSuite funding by orgs and power users with paying subscriptions, how are we going to expect NextCloud to have anything resembling feature parity while maintaining “harder now but better long term” engineering?
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