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With no consequences whatsoever?
There as a scathing book! https://ibmandtheholocaust.com/about-ibm-and-holocaust
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#322the people who run YC and Hacker News have Peter Thiel's phone number. that's all I'm saying
They would call and say what? "Go home you crazy weaponized narcissist, you're drunk on power and delusions of techo authoritarianism." If you're challenging someone who can hurt you, you should not approach until you are highly confident you are going to win, whatever that looks like. I hope the folks mentioned are, and continue to remain, somewhere safe while this plays out.
More like they'd come out publicly against what Thiel and Palantir are doing, given that they are members of, and colleagues within, the same communities of moneyed tech leadership.
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The unfortunate reality is that lots of those people were agents of propaganda, such as Russian bots. The goal was to get the authoritarian elected and the ball rolling - so they're all gone now.
Seems very plausible but how can we be sure of that? There definitely were two groups, one had thoughtful counterpoints, and also histories of insightful comments on other topics, and could usually be persuaded eventually with some extended discussion. The other group had usually no post history and literally just posted things like “cry harder libtard.” The latter were probably just bots/scripts but I’ve often thoug…
I saw many people expose shallow, hateful views that had account creation from 2017 and earlier with a comment history to then sort of come out the wood work here and basically say, "mandate, this is what the american people want." There is a large support for DOGE on this site.
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It is absolutely insane that the party who tried on the Libertarian mask less than 20 years ago and rode high on a wave of "don't tread on me" individual liberty is now suddenly ok with masked thugs scanning everyone's faces for their master database of enemies of the state.
The generous part of me says this is an example of "you become what you hate". The ungenerous part of me says that all their talk about freedom, liberty, state's rights, etc., has always been a lie.
You should go to rumble and watch the Charlie Kirk show. It is a huge stream of jingoistic fallacies, fear and hate mongering and a bald faced usurpation of what it means to be an American. Anyone they that disagrees with them is an unpatriotic unamerican leftist that hates all that is good in the world. Their words.
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Sort of. You have to look up if your state has "necessity/choice-of-evils” defense and the standard defense-of-others rule - and what scopes it has. I'll tell you this much, most judges will regard a circumstance for you to exert force against a peace officer - seeming or actual - as an extralegal action, and will very rarely affirm it as a protected action from the books. And even if you beat such a case, it ruins y…
I asked a similar question elsewhere, but in states like Texas you can have a jury trial for just about any offense. Could federal charges go before a grand jury allowing nullification to be an option?
If you want to take a bet that enough of your peers have varying degrees of distrust in police AND that they are aware of jury nullification in procedure or in principle, sure.
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#326Anyone who doesn't think this won't be used against regular citizens is living a very sheltered life. Vote out the clowns every time you get a chance.
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We already live in the social credit dystopia. https://www.thenexus.media/your-phone-already-has-social-cre...
I think the post's argument is that we are on the way to something akin to China's social credit system (but not there yet). > What we have aren't unified social credit systems…yet. They're fragmented behavioral scoring networks that don't directly communicate. Your Uber rating doesn't affect your mortgage rate, and your LinkedIn engagement doesn't determine your insurance premiums. But the infrastructure is being bu…
Chinese style social credit is largely an invention by Western media
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#328Anyone who doesn't think this won't be used against regular citizens is living a very sheltered life. Vote out the clowns every time you get a chance.
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Most of these people have SSNs and work permits. We let them in and let them work legally and now have suddenly changed our collective mind and are violently letting them know. It's absurd.
Actually there are at least ten million with no legal standing in the country at all. Did you actually just claim everyone in the country is here legally?
> Actually there are at least ten million with no legal standing in the country at all.
Except they form an important part of the economy, and they’re here because the government has implicitly allowed and supported that for decades.
That’s not an accident, either. It’s provided a source of cheap labor, who are not enfranchised, so have no political representation.
In many respects it’s a substitute for slavery. The perpetrators here aren’t the immigrants.
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Legal action against this is going to be a tough, possibly unfeasable battle. Whatever the laws are, they probably contain exceptions for the use of biometrics for law enforcement purposes. In terms of court precedent, biometrics are not protected by the 4th amendment, because your face is not considered a secret that the government could compel you to reveal.
Beyond this, state law may not supersede federal authority. This will likely go to the Supreme Court before it's actually decided, short of congressional action (unlikely). I'm not sure if these requests are only made if other ID isn't available or a refusal to present id happens. That said, I'm not sure how this qualifies as reasonable suspicion in terms of stopping someone without evidence of some other crime in pr…
Why would you believe any clarifying statements they'd give?
They'd just tell you they are only going after pedo-terrorists.
What are we going to do? Call them liars? They don't care.