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They didn't say it was impossible, or that we should do nothing. Learn how to have a constructive dialogue, please.
OpenAI says over a million people talk to ChatGPT about suicide weekly
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It sounds like you’re feeling down. Why don’t you pop a couple Xanax(tm) and shop on Amazon for a while, that always makes you feel better. Would you like me to add some Xanax(tm) to your shopping cart to help you get started?
Honestly, ChatGPT reminding you to take your meds would be a huge positive for ADHD.
Set an alarm on your phone for when you should take your meds. Snooze if you must, but don't turn off /accept the alarm until you take them.
Put daily meds in cheap plastic pillbox container labelled Sunday-Saturday (which you refill weekly). The box will help you notice if you skipped a day or can't remember if you took them or not today. Seeing pills not taken from past days also serves to alert you if/that your "remember-to-take-them" system is broken and you need to make conscious adjustmemts to it.
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Privacy is vital, but this isn't covered under HIPAA. As they are not a covered entity nor handling medical records, they're beholden to the same privacy laws as any other company. HIPAA's scope is actually basically nonexistent once you get away from healthcare providers, insurance companies, and the people that handle their data/they do business with. Talking with someone (even a company) about health conditions, m…
> Talking with someone (even a company) about health conditions, mental health, etc. does not make them a medical provider. Also not when the entity behaves as though they are a mental health service professional? At what point do you put the burden on the apparently mentally ill person to know better?
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> A human can also say the wrong things to push someone in a certain direction. A psychologist, or anyone else for that matter, can't stop someone from committing suicide if they've already made up their mind about it. They're educated on human psychology, but they're not miracle workers. The best they can do is raise a flag if they suspect self-harm, but then again, so could a machine. ChatGPT essentially encouraged…
But that's not the issue. The issue is that a kid is talking to a machine without supervision in the first place, and presumably taking advice from it. The main questions are: where are the guardians of this child? What is the family situation and living environment? A child thinking about suicide is clearly a sign that there are far greater problems in their life than taking advice from a machine. Let's address thos…
TBH kids tend to be edgy for a bit when puberty hits. The emo generation had a ton of girls cutting themselves for attention for example.
Re: OpenAI says over a million people talk to ChatGPT about suicide weekly
#325If you haven't read the article (or even if you have but didn't click on outgoing links twice ) the NYT story about how ChatGPT convinced a suicidal teen not to look for help [1] should convince you that ChatGPT should be nowhere near anyone dealing with psychological issues. Here's ChatGPT discouraging said teenager from asking for help: > “I want to leave my noose in my room so someone finds it and tries to stop me…
We would need the big picture, though... maybe it caused that death (which is awful) but it's also saving lives? If there are that many people confiding in it, I wouldn't be surprised if it actually prevents some suicides with encouraging comments, and that's not going to make the news. Before declaring that it shouldn't be near anyone with psychological issues, someone in the relevant field should study whether the…
if a therapist was ever found to have said to this to a suicidal person, they would be immediately stripped of their license and maybe jailed.
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Sure but your therapist is also monetizing your pain for his own gain. Either A.I therapy works (e.g can provide good mental relief) or it doesn't. I tend to think it's gonna be amazing at those things talking from experience (very rough week with my mom's health deterioriating fast, did a couple of sessions with Gemini that felt like I'm talking to a therapist). Perhaps it won't work well for hard issues like real m…
But one is a company ran by sociopaths that have no empathy and couldn't care less about anything but money, while the other is a human that at least studied the field all their life.
Unpacking your argument you make two points:
1) The human has studied all his life; yes, some humans study and work hard. I have also studied programming half my life and it doesn't mean A.I can't make serious contributions in programming and that A.I won't keep improving.
2) These companies, or OpenAI in particular, are untrustworthy many grabbing assholes. To this I say if they truly care about money they will try to do a good job, e.g provide an A.I that is reliable, empathetic and that actually help you get on with life. If they won't - a competitor will. That's basically the idea of capitalism and it usually works.
Re: OpenAI says over a million people talk to ChatGPT about suicide weekly
#327If you haven't read the article (or even if you have but didn't click on outgoing links twice ) the NYT story about how ChatGPT convinced a suicidal teen not to look for help [1] should convince you that ChatGPT should be nowhere near anyone dealing with psychological issues. Here's ChatGPT discouraging said teenager from asking for help: > “I want to leave my noose in my room so someone finds it and tries to stop me…
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It's fun for many of us due to the combination of music, dancing, alcohol and socialization (in varying proportions: depending on tastes, interests and circumstances, one or two of those aspects can be set to zero and it's still enjoyable). Of course, it's also perfectly fine not to like it, and then the most reasonable course of action is not to go. Or to go a couple of times until you're sure you don't like it, and…
> it's not "for the sake of talking", it's for the sake of socializing, meeting new people, building connections, which is the whole point when we're talking about flirting or lack thereof. In my experience you really have to be constantly spitting nonsense to keep the conversation from ending and to avoid awkward silence. When the other person is talking, even if I didn't hear most of what they said, I keep nodding,…
Re: OpenAI says over a million people talk to ChatGPT about suicide weekly
#329If you haven't read the article (or even if you have but didn't click on outgoing links twice ) the NYT story about how ChatGPT convinced a suicidal teen not to look for help [1] should convince you that ChatGPT should be nowhere near anyone dealing with psychological issues. Here's ChatGPT discouraging said teenager from asking for help: > “I want to leave my noose in my room so someone finds it and tries to stop me…
OpenAI tried to get rid of the excessively sycophantic model (4o) but there was a massive backlash. They eventually relented and kept it as a model offering in ChatGPT. OpenAI certainly has made mistakes with its rollouts in the past, but it is effectively impossible to keep everyone with psychological issues away from a free online web app. >ChatGPT should be nowhere near anyone dealing with psychological issues. Sh…
Re: OpenAI says over a million people talk to ChatGPT about suicide weekly
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We would need the big picture, though... maybe it caused that death (which is awful) but it's also saving lives? If there are that many people confiding in it, I wouldn't be surprised if it actually prevents some suicides with encouraging comments, and that's not going to make the news. Before declaring that it shouldn't be near anyone with psychological issues, someone in the relevant field should study whether the…
I suspect you've never done therapy yourself. Most people who have worked with a professional therapist understand intuitively why the only helpful feedback from an LLM to someone who needs professional help is: get professional help. AIs are really good at doing something to about 80%. When the stakes are life or death, as they are with someone who is suicidal, that is a good example of a time when 80% isn't good en…
And it depends on the therapy and therapist. If the client needs to be reminded to box breathe and that they're using all or nothing thinking again to get them off of the ledge, does that really require a human who's only available once a week to gently remind them of that when the therapist isn't going to be available for four more days and ChatGPT's available right now?
I don't know if that's a good thing, only that is the reality of things.