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Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by d3Xt3r »

jpdb wrote: post #318
d3Xt3r wrote: post #309

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> go back to buying Windows laptops and putting Linux on them. But they just aren't as nice. There are native Linux laptops from several manufacturers such as Slimbook, Star Labs, System76, Tuxedo etc. Or if you prefer mainstream OEMs both Lenovo and Dell sell laptops with Linux preloaded (or have official Linux compatibility listed on the spec sheet). And of course, there's also Framework, if you're in the lucky 10%…

I have the same z13 gen one, but my m1 is a Pro. I do absolutely love the z13 and prefer it most of the time...but I definitely would not call the battery life "all day" or even "almost all day"

Have you configured your tunables with powertop, set amd_pstate = active (and/or set up TLP)? If not, give that a try, it's a game changer.

Also by all day I meant working day (8+ hours), which is good enough for me to take my laptop off-site and work without a battery. Still falls a good bit short from the Apple Silicon MacBook or course, can't really compete with that until we get a decent Linux-native ARM notebook (unless you count Chromebooks).

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by alphager »

s__s wrote: post #122
mort96 wrote: post #47

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Can you elaborate on 1) What makes dhh far right? And 2) How that makes the omarchy or framework projects problematic?

1) he literally wrote a blog post complaining that London sucks because there are too many non-white people there. We're not talking about someone who is a bit conservative; we're talking about an explicitly racist person.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by dangus »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #275
dangus wrote: post #180

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I can’t believe you’re gaslighting us all by claiming “long term viability” is better on a MacBook, a system with zero user-replaceable components, a glued-in battery, soldered-in memory, etc. A MacBook loses software updates in 10 years. Sometimes less. You can install what amounts to reverse engineered Linux on one if you lose your macOS updates. You have a choice of basically one viable distro. And this idea that…

The screen repair was like $150. I've had framebooks and they broke within 3 years from hardware failures. macbooks going strong a decade+. You can repair framework, you usually don't have to with a mac. Plus, for people who can't repair their own pc, apple's support is better than framework,dell,etc. and please ffs, stop misusing the term "gaslight". someone having a different opinion and experience than you is not…

You had a framework that broke in 3 years. I had a MacBook Pro 15” 2016 with a defective keyboard design that had repeating keystrokes within a year, which wasn’t corrected on the design of the machines until 4 years later.

It’s gaslighting because you’re trying to convince us of a different alternate reality than the observed truthful reality, not just a different opinion. You’re trying to tell us that factually non-user-repairable MacBooks with a manufacturer that refuses to sell spare parts with a major hardware reliability scandal under its belt less than 10 years ago will stand the test of time.

I never claimed that you can find hardware that is 100% as good as MacBooks, I’m only claiming that the extra XX% better hardware polish/quality/battery life you get with a Mac is not really worth giving up expandable storage and easy Linux compatibility in the context of someone who was going to install Asahi Linux instead of macOS. And there are PC systems that get closer than ever to MacBook quality. ThinkPad X1 Carbon, some higher end ASUS Zenbook systems I’ve played with, even some of the thin and light gaming-oriented systems out there are really nice quality as the space is very competitive.

If the only major compromises are battery life (solved by a $50 spare battery or a wall outlet at the coffee shop) or how much my laptop feels like a luxury indulgence like a fashionable handbag, I’m personally fine with that.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by dangus »

jen20 wrote: post #264
dangus wrote: post #187

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But now you’re comparing buying a whole new computer to repairing one. It’s not like it’s hard to buy an x86 laptop at a Best Buy. The fact of the matter is that sending a MacBook to depot and fixing it takes around a week including transit times to and from. Apple no longer does any computer repairs in store. At $60 for a battery or $200 for a screen those parts are so cheap that I could just buy them to keep on han…

It is in fact very difficult to buy a professional grade computer of any kind from Best Buy, let alone something like a Thinkpad with reasonable specs. You might luck out and be in a city with a micro center, but you probably won’t. If I’m on the road and my laptop breaks, I’m buying a new one post haste, and resolving the problem when I get home. It’s like 2-3 hours worth of billing time to do so vs screwing about t…

I don’t believe you. My local Best Buy has 134 different laptop models in stock in the store.

Have you ever heard of Amazon prime? You really think they don’t have a suitable laptop they can deliver to you overnight or maybe even the same day?

And anyway, this is really only an argument for “whatever is most popular,” not “what is the best machine.” If some other brand besides Apple was the most popular laptop in the world that other brand would get this same treatment by you even if the computer sucked (which MacBook Pro did between 2016 and 2020)

Essentially you’re saying that Budweiser is the best beer because it’s the most available. If I run out of beer I can get it anywhere.

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Post by mort96 »

d3Xt3r wrote: post #321
jpdb wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the same z13 gen one, but my m1 is a Pro. I do absolutely love the z13 and prefer it most of the time...but I definitely would not call the battery life "all day" or even "almost all day"

Have you configured your tunables with powertop, set amd_pstate = active (and/or set up TLP)? If not, give that a try, it's a game changer. Also by all day I meant working day (8+ hours), which is good enough for me to take my laptop off-site and work without a battery. Still falls a good bit short from the Apple Silicon MacBook or course, can't really compete with that until we get a decent Linux-native ARM notebook…

> Have you configured your tunables with powertop, set amd_pstate = active (and/or set up TLP)? If not, give that a try, it's a game changer.

The nice thing about Macs is that you don't really have to do that...

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Post by [deleted] »

mort96 wrote: post #89
phpnode wrote: post #86

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You can rationalise your decision however you want, but to me it sounds like you're mad with the little guy for their lack of moral purity, but you're implicitly fine with a larger company doing much worse. That seems inconsistent at best.

You may find it inconsistent, and that's fine. But I do actually find it worse to buy from the explicitly political pro-fascist company than to buy from the "normal company" which just "incidentally" benefit fascist governments through their normal business operations.

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Post by [deleted] »

mort96 wrote: post #248
phpnode wrote: post #245

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Your claim was that they explicitly support fascism. That doesn't seem to be the case at all. What you seem to mean instead is: They financially support a popular open source project called Omarchy, which is built by DHH, and you believe DHH to be a fascist. You're welcome to your opinion, and I have zero insight into whether DHH is a fascist or not, but by no means is that explicit support for fascism ! It's not jus…

I didn't say they explicitly support fascism. I said they are explicitly political, and they are pro-fascism.

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Post by jemmyw »

baby wrote: post #209
mort96 wrote: post #5

I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro. It's getting a bit old, so it would be nice to replace it with a new MacBook Pro in not too long. But honestly, losing Linux support would be pretty devastating. Docker and virtualization just isn't the same. There's lots of interesting stuff you can do with your hardware in Linux, there's for example Linux-specific software which puts the WiFi card in promiscuous mode and do…

Why is docker so bad on mac and why is apple not fixing that?

Because docker containers need to run on a Linux kernel so it requires some form of VM on non Linux systems. No matter how well integrated that is it's never going to be as lightweight as running containers on Linux. It wouldn't be a trivial task to implement an emulation, if that's even possible.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by jen20 »

dangus wrote: post #324
jen20 wrote: post #264

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It is in fact very difficult to buy a professional grade computer of any kind from Best Buy, let alone something like a Thinkpad with reasonable specs. You might luck out and be in a city with a micro center, but you probably won’t. If I’m on the road and my laptop breaks, I’m buying a new one post haste, and resolving the problem when I get home. It’s like 2-3 hours worth of billing time to do so vs screwing about t…

I don’t believe you. My local Best Buy has 134 different laptop models in stock in the store. Have you ever heard of Amazon prime? You really think they don’t have a suitable laptop they can deliver to you overnight or maybe even the same day? And anyway, this is really only an argument for “whatever is most popular,” not “what is the best machine.” If some other brand besides Apple was the most popular laptop in the…

I do indeed think that there is unlikely to be a single professional model in a Best Buy - a Thinkpad, a professional-grade Dell without crapware preinstalled, a System76 or a Framework. The exception of course is actually a Mac, which you can buy there.

Amazon prime might get one to you next day, late in the day. That is wildly insufficient for a business trip. If you’re in a city where they will deliver same-day, you can probably also go to a Microcenter and get a low-spec Thinkpad off-the-shelf.

Beer is not a necessity when traveling for business (though I actually happen to be perfectly happy to drink Bud Light, Coors Banquet, or PBR just as readily as a Grisette, since I’m not a snob), but a functioning laptop is.

As for popularity - sure - making a good product makes it popular. I was in fact so happy with the Mac between 2016-18 that I bought a second so I would have the nice low travel keyboard and Touch Bar available indefinitely.

Whether you believe it or not is irrelevant, frankly.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by chithanh »

Reason077 wrote: post #261
mort96 wrote: post #246

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To be clear, I would not ordinarily ask these kinds of questions. I understand that things take time. That's why I'm resigned to the idea that Asahi will never again be roughly up to date with the latest Apple hardware. I only asked this question because hanikesn seems to think that Asahi will magically suddenly be up to date once they've upstreamed everything.

Would I be correct in thinking that once M3 is up and running, M4 (and M5?) - the basics at least - should be relatively easy due to architectural similarities? In the same way that M2 was relatively easy because it was quite similar to the M1?

No. One major obstacle with M4 support is SPTM.

M5 has major GPU changes again so that is even more ways off.

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