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Re: Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via SharePoint flaws

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Post by dijit »

kenjackson wrote: post #314
dijit wrote: post #269

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Using collaboration and productivity software as a proxy for how the company thinks about collaboration and productivity is, good, actually. He didn’t say he doesn’t like Satya or Gates or whatever, he was clear that he doesn’t like the solution. I just went back to a microsoft shop, and honestly while the company is great you can feel how the communication is stilted compared to my previous company. Those little edg…

“I totally understand why it’s primarily MSFT shops that have RTO mandates.” That just seems factually incorrect. I’ve seen no correlation on RTO and tools used. Do you have data on this?

Only anecdotes across 20 or so companies (and: european ones).

Companies that use Teams as primary communication software have all had strong and non-negotiable RTO mandates, companies that use o365 and Slack allow exceptions for certain individuals and teams, but have also had RTO requirements.

Those that are using gsuite or are paying lip service to email and documents (excel, word etc) and using mostly Confluence and something like Slack for most communication are the only ones with proper flexible working.

Now, I could be wrong, and there's no public data to back this up. If I think about how I would construct such a dataset I can't even fathom how; even if I was to check every company with an RTO mandates MX records there would be no way to control for the sheer dominance of O365, and, no way to tell who is only playing lip service to their productivity suites.

I'd be interested in hearing other opinions, but like mentioned, it feels pretty universal. I haven't seen even a single exception to this, and I'm pretty old and I have friends across many companies.

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Post by dijit »

lostlogin wrote: post #296
pxc wrote: post #234

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Companies that use Microsoft for one thing invariably use it for another, and then another, and then another, because they're "already paying for it". Their business model has always been like this. Microsoft Office usage is highly predictive of lots and lots of other choices.

> Microsoft Office usage is highly predictive of lots and lots of other choices. Job sites could do with this as a filter. Even more specifically, ‘Teams’.

I once rejected a job because of Teams; I felt bad/entitled about it though...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30264591

Re: Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via SharePoint flaws

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Post by rootusrootus »

Spooky23 wrote: post #163
philipallstar wrote: post #161

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Teams is just so much more horrible than Slack and Zoom, and dev teams use Slack and/or Zoom.

Most customers of both use O365. The zoom fascination is pretty weird. It’s literally Webex 3.0 without Cisco bullshit. Slack is pretty awesome. It wouldn’t factor in selecting an employer, but that’s just me.

> The zoom fascination is pretty weird. It’s literally Webex 3.0 without Cisco bullshit.

Yes, though Zoom came first, Webex copied their UI during the covid Zoom craze.

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Post by pjmlp »

NeutralCrane wrote: post #182
fujigawa wrote: post #135

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I'm gonna be honest, you sound like a problem employee. The companies not using Microsoft, are using Google. Which in my experience is equally or measurably worse. Just personal data points, but every avowed Microsoft hater I've ever worked with has been... difficult. Like a-drag-on-the-team-because-he-refuses-to-use-company-tools difficult. Edit: How does an aged post on this site go from +4 to -1 in the span of a f…

Google is leaps and bounds preferable in my experience than Microsoft. I agree with the above. A Microsoft shop isn’t a guarantee the company culture is bad, but it’s correlated enough to be a flag.

Until one needs to reach out to support.

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Post by pjmlp »

illusive4080 wrote: post #162
dpifke wrote: post #159

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That's basically WSL. My work laptop is Windows, and the only native applications I run on it are a web browser, Zoom, and the company's VPN software. Everything else runs inside WSL. I greatly prefer Debian to Homebrew, so if I can't run actual Linux, this is (to me) superior to trying to develop on a Mac.

I agree that Debian beats Homebrew. But wouldn’t a persistent Debian container on Mac be better? WSL is nothing more than a container on the system, no? The Mac hardware is vastly superior to most Windows laptops, especially enterprise Windows laptops.

My Thinkpad has CUDA and native Vulkan support, with hardware specs that are 1000 euros cheaper than getting the same capabilities on a Mac laptop.

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Post by lazide »

dijit wrote: post #322
lostlogin wrote: post #296

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> Microsoft Office usage is highly predictive of lots and lots of other choices. Job sites could do with this as a filter. Even more specifically, ‘Teams’.

I once rejected a job because of Teams; I felt bad/entitled about it though... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30264591

I’m fairly certain I’d deeply regret my life choices if I had to use teams daily. Occasional (mandatory) usage interacting with it for various gov’t usage, etc. has reinforced that view.

Why subject yourself to something you know you’ll hate every day if you can avoid it?

Is that being entitled? Plenty of people don’t have such choices, sure!

If so, who cares? Live your life, make your decisions. Don’t let jealous people make your life miserable.

Personally, I’d rank it as:

1. Google meet (as good as a gvc program can get for actual meetings, near as I can tell). Best when you have a group of people who are somewhat co-ordinated and not malicious though.

2. Zoom (not great for actual meeting quality, like audio/video, but not bad - and has a lot of useful tools and workflow stuff, especially for larger groups of strangers. I get it)

3..24 - every other random product.

25. Teams (lots of random bugs, worse than zoom for actual meeting quality, tons of silly MS’isms when trying to actually use it, somehow doesn’t work well for groups of people working together OR for groups of strangers, etc).

MS is the king of the package deal and ‘check box sales’, so they are impossible to avoid for long however.

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Post by qwertytyyuu »

lostlogin wrote: post #296
pxc wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies that use Microsoft for one thing invariably use it for another, and then another, and then another, because they're "already paying for it". Their business model has always been like this. Microsoft Office usage is highly predictive of lots and lots of other choices.

> Microsoft Office usage is highly predictive of lots and lots of other choices. Job sites could do with this as a filter. Even more specifically, ‘Teams’.

I don't mind teams but really do hate outlook.

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Post by qwertytyyuu »

dijit wrote: post #268
fujigawa wrote: post #145

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They are all equally crap. I'm convinced the people designing collaboration tools don't have to use them on a daily basis.

Equally? Definitely not. Maybe it can be argued that it depends on how you use it, but meet is so far and away better for video calls and screen sharing, its not even funny. Jitsi is also an incredible improvement, and it is self hostable and free. Teams is likely the worst software that a company will force on all its employees- with that in mind, I guess some people can get stockholm syndrome? Some people who only…

It seems you have had the fortune to not have had to suffered through jabber

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Post by qwertytyyuu »

bflesch wrote: post #280
supportengineer wrote: post #156

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If a company provides a Mac laptop, that to me is a green flag, if it provides a Windows laptop, that is a red flag. The best company I ever worked at, provided every software engineer both a Mac laptop and a Linux desktop as standard equipment.

Both are a red flag

being provided a laptop is a red flag...? unless you get hp or cheap dell, then yeah red flag

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Post by mrsmrtss »

a-dub wrote: post #193
jojobas wrote: post #177

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Too bad Microsoft shops run the world. All the factories and shops, nearly every commercial backoffice runs windows, office/exchange and what not.

the software is so bad it's literally a national security risk.

While I may agree on Sharepoint, not everything from Microsoft is bad. Often the alternatives are even worse.
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