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Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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Post by dragonwriter »

nerdsniper wrote: post #320
jppittma wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See, I have no problem with searches that involve warrants and probably cause. They could already violate the shit out of your privacy with a warrant. That's kind of the point of a warrant.

Yep but Ring doesn't require warrants to hand over your video if police say "it's an emergency". https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/01/amazon-ring-stop...

If you don't require warrants as long as the requester uses magic words, then you just don’t require warrants, period.

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Post by array_key_first »

xysix wrote: post #254
femiagbabiaka wrote: post #138

This is the logical conclusion to the state of irrational fear that Americans perpetually live in, that causes them to feel they need 24/7 surveillance of their homes, no matter the consequences.

It’s about control, not fear. Nobody is consenting to it out of fear.

You control people by instilling fear.

Anybody can merely force someone else to do something. I can, you can. That's small fry stuff.

The real ticket is getting people to do the things you want with no force. Convincing them to act against their own interests. Now, thats much harder, and that's the type of thing the big dogs are looking at.

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Post by femiagbabiaka »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #298
femiagbabiaka wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This program would literally not be possible if that was the case, as it's completely opt-in. Citizen, Flock, Ring, they're all symptoms of the same disease. But let's say you're right: that means that laziness is enough to bring on the surveillance state.

It's "opt in by default" - aka opt-out.

Getting the notifications is opt-in by default, choosing to hand over your video footage is not:

  For Ring users, the process is the same. Your privacy and control over your videos and information are non-negotiable, and your participation is completely optional. Public safety agencies can't see who received a notification or who chose not to respond. You can even turn off Community Request notifications altogether if you prefer. By combining community safety with strong privacy protections, Community Requests respects individual choice while helping neighborhoods thrive.

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Post by mway »

JeremyHerrman wrote: post #284

Unifi G4 Doorbell Pro [0] is a great self-hosted option. I've been very happy with mine over the last year, but I was already bought into the unifi ecosystem with a UDM Pro SE and U6 mesh APs. 0: https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/cameras-doorbells/collec...

Unfortunate that there's no stock except for the PoE variant.

I wonder if it's because the G6 is (afaict) launching in Q4? I guess we'll just have to hold tight for now.

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Post by sterwill »

dhacks wrote: post #63
sterwill wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought Reolink PoE cameras because they support standard RTSP and I could put them on their own VLAN where they can't get to the Internet. I can still use the Reolink app to view them when I'm on the LAN, or through Wireguard when I'm not. I use ffmpeg to save streams to a big disk. Works great.

I do the same and it works well. But do you see the Reolink app hammering domains of the form p#p#.reolink.com? I have to kill the app between uses it it drains my phone's battery because of this.

I've never looked at what the Android app is doing on the network, but maybe I should. I usually just keep it open for a few minutes when I'm waiting for a delivery or I hear someone ring the doorbell, so I'm not too worried about it piping lots of video to Reolink HQ. I haven't noticed much of a battery drain having used it earlier in the day.

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Post by sterwill »

normie3000 wrote: post #49
olex wrote: post #38

And this is why my setup will be using Reolink cameras integrated locally via HomeAssistant and Frigate. Detection runs locally on cameras and/or in Frigate, HA manages events and UI, and the only way to access any of it remotely is via VPN, no "cloud" anything. If the authorities come knocking with a warrant, or frankly, even a nicely-worded sensible request, sure, have at it. But ain't nobody accessing the footage…

Don't Reolink cameras require the Reolink mobile app for setup?

I have 2 Reolink PoE cameras, and they just hopped on the network with DHCP and I used a web browser to configure them. No app needed. I did install the app later, once the cameras were safely on their own VLAN, and I could connect to them by internal host name or IP address.

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Post by gigel82 »

tptacek wrote: post #318

However, AI-powered technology used by law enforcement has been proven to exacerbate racial biases. This is a little misleading. Flock is primarily an ALPR that can identify make/model/color/identifying-feature of vehicles. It's not facial recognition. It doesn't itself have a racial component. The modal "proactive" Flock intervention (as opposed to investigative searches after crimes) is to flag a moving vehicle as…

They're a lot more than "license plate readers", they're complete AI surveillance systems: https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Flock_License_Plate_Readers

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Post by roughly »

namibj wrote: post #70
QuantumNomad_ wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And then at door 125,000 you finally reach the home of the puppy that’s in the stock photo you printed. And they say “Why yes, we have seen this puppy. How did you know??”

So use one that you know to now be dead.

Well this is taking a dark turn
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