why is apple releasing a MBP with the old gen of pro chips (m4 pro)?
...they're not. This is a release of a 14" with the base M5, alongside the other existing M4 Pro/Max models.
The Pro/Max rollout tends to lag behind by about 6 months.
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Is there a HN bingo card? Because we always get a top comment for Linux user who tries Mac and decides they prefer Linux.
I have to agree. The loss of sense of reality among Linux fanboys is really annoying. I had been a Linux notebook user for many years and have praised it on this board years ago. But today the Linux desktop has regressed into a piece of trash even for basic command line usage while providing zero exclusive apps worth using. It's really sad since it's unforced and brought upon Linux users by overzealous developers alo…
> Mac OS trounces Linux in absolutely every way on the desktop it's not even funny: performance, battery life, apps, usability, innovation.
performance - I don't agree battery life - absolutely apps - absolutely usability - I don't agree innovation - I don't agree
One significant annoyance associated with Linux on a laptop is that configuring suspend-then-hibernate is an arduous task, whereas it just works on a Macbook.
But, the main thing is commercial application support.
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Verizon is overpriced and is the Comcast equivalent of cellular carriers. AT&T is about as bad
Verizon owns most of the value brands in the US and you made no connection between them and Comcast beyond mentioning them in the same sentence. AT&T is "about as bad" as what? You gave no information.
Price, customer service
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I play absolutely everything on my M1 Macbook Pro. Through Crossover, basically every Windows game runs fine. I used to check ahead of time before buying a game, but it's so good I now kind of just assume games work.
A NVIDIA 2080 graphics card from 2018 still surpasses the M5 for gaming. The M5 Pro coming early next year will likely finally catch up with the 8-year-old 2080. I'm happy to hear your games work well for you, but it sounds like the games you're playing aren't demanding compared to modern AAA titles. Most games released in the last year or two don't run well on my 2080 test system at anything approaching decent graph…
A reminder that the majority of what people actually play isn't "modern AAA titles": https://steamcharts.com/top
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#325Pretty funny how they're actively targeting M1 users with their marketing copy with this release. Sorry you made your first gen chip so good that I don't feel the need to upgrade lol.
I have a 2020 Macbook, intel... 2.3 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 is it worth upgrading?
Very much so.
No fan noise, no warmth, unless you are really really pushing it.
in terms of speed, it makes it feel like the original retina did when they first came out. oh and a pretty fast disk as well.
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I'd argue if you need to be told about keyboard shortcuts, then you're not a power user. (I.e., knowing how to find keyboard shortcuts I'd consider a core trait of power users).
Keyboard shortcuts should be exposed in some fashion. IMO, Microsoft is typically better at this.
What specifically does Microsoft do that Apple should do?
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#327Pretty funny how they're actively targeting M1 users with their marketing copy with this release. Sorry you made your first gen chip so good that I don't feel the need to upgrade lol.
Yeah, I am using a 2020 Macbook Air M1 with macOS 15.7.1 (which I am about to install Ashasi Linux) and I have no issues as a casual user. For most people who use macbooks I see no reason to but an M5 or M4 over an M1.
How’s that running on M machines these days?
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#328To any Linux users, I recently bought a fully loaded M4 MacBook pro to replace my aging Lenovo and strongly regret it. I thought I would use it for playing with LLMs, but local dev on a Mac is not fun and I still don't have it fully set up. I'll probably replace it with a framework at some point in the near future. Edit: okay, that garnered more attention than I expected, I guess I owe a qualification. 1. Everything…
> I thought I would use it for playing with LLMs, but local dev on a Mac is not fun and I still don't have it fully set up. Sounds more like a you problem, probably due to unfamiliarity. There are endless options for local dev on a Mac, and a huge share of devs using one.
I've used Macs for 20 years starting on the day 32-bit Intel Macs were released, and agree with the GP. Linux and Plasma spoiled me, going back to macOS and its windowing system feels like a step backward, especially for development, where using multiple windows is a must. Task switching is.. not good? I don't get window previews I can switch through when I hover over the dock, but I do on Linux.
Yes, I know about Yabai and the other things that modify the existing window manager. The problem is the window manager itself.
Outside of the windowing system, running native Linux if you're deploying to Linux beats using an amalgamation of old BSD utils + stuff from Homebrew and hoping it works between platforms, or using VMs. The dev tools that are native to Linux are also nice.
When it comes to multiple monitors, I want a dock on each monitor. I can do that in Plasma, but I can't in macOS, unless I use some weird 3rd party software apparently.
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The Pro sales page says their RAM is unified, which is more efficient than traditional. Anyone have a concept by how much more efficient unified RAM performs vs RAM? Their sales copy for reference: "M-series chips include unified memory, which is more efficient than traditional RAM. This single pool of high-performance memory allows apps to efficiently share data between the CPU, GPU, and Neural Engine.... This means…
It's unified on the Air too though?
yes, all Mx processors have unified ram
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I still have 94% of my battery health left on my 2020 M1, and I have all the speed I need as a casual, avergae user.
I saw it first on using a device 2 years older than your M1, so you might be in a similar boat soon - but I hope not. The lower power and heat of M-devices might result in meaningfully longer battery life, and I'm curious to find out.
frankly nothing holds a candle to the battery performance of the M series machines so it’s likely a safe bet to assume that advantage will also translate into longer overall life/battery health until we see otherwise. We’ll see in a few years I suppose.