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Re: Kagi News

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Post by BeetleB »

1_1xdev1 wrote: post #306
BeetleB wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In other words, this is exposing a long standing flaw in journalism. I know things are super polarized now, but even 20 years ago, when mentioning a Congressperson regarding a particular social problem, they would specify if he was a Democrat/Republican. I really don't need to know which party he is part of. If the article was about a party's stance, it makes sense - but the article is about one politician.

Sure you do, to understand actual patterns in actions of members of the party. And ignoring that, it’s general context. Part of the job of a journalist.

> to understand actual patterns in actions of members of the party.

Or to construct patterns that don't reflect reality.

Should we also list their ages, ethnicity, religious affiliation(s) in each article mentioning a Congressperson and construct those patterns as well?

Sorry, I'd like to think on my own.

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Post by bhrlady »

jama211 wrote: post #259
stavros wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you care what technology was used to generate the summaries? What if they had used their old NLP summarizer?

Many reasons, if this news were summarised by humans I would prefer it, one example reason is with AI summaries I know to look out for hallucinations. To be honest though that’s not the point. I’m more annoyed they weren’t transparent about their methods than I am about them using AI.

Kagi team member here who helped author that blog post announcement. That's a fair point, and we've updated the post to now clearly mention that we use AI for the daily briefing. Thank you for your feedback!

Re: Kagi News

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Post by kstrauser »

28304283409234 wrote: post #322

As a paying customer of kagi (family account) it saddens me to see my money spent this way.

As a paying customer of Kagi (family account), I'm delighted to see them spend my money in a way that seems utterly compatible with their history of making the web pleasant to use again.

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Post by maleldil »

amarant wrote: post #216

I really like this! I do wish I could have better control of what languages I'm getting. Right now the option is to either translate everything or nothing. I'd prefer news in their original, untranslated form if it's one of the 4 languages I speak, otherwise translate them to English. I added the category "Israel" and everything was in Hebrew, so I had to set my language to English, but now news in my native Swedish…

That's weird. I set the language to English, but the stories in the Brazil category are still in Portuguese.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by scuppernong »

GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #283
scuppernong wrote: post #281

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A selection of recent ones: - Site blocking with /etc/hosts doesn't work consistently with Orion, it intermittently and inconsistently ignores these rules. (this is sort of niche but it's bizarre for a browser based on WebKit) - The password manager is busted on certain websites that have a third input box (so a captcha or 2FA code), where it'll fill the password twice - Kept randomly getting the error "Orion can't o…

> - Site blocking with /etc/hosts doesn't work consistently with Orion, it intermittently and inconsistently ignores these rules. (this is sort of niche but it's bizarre for a browser based on WebKit) oh i hate it when developers get cute with DNS. this doesn't happen with Safari? i've also had issues with the password manager (even after telling it i want to use Passwords, it just... doesn't sometimes). i've been in…

hmm last time i tried it, Safari blocked the sites correctly as did Chrome. just tried it again and Safari let me through, so maybe that one's not on Orion.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by motoxpro »

stavros wrote: post #251
motoxpro wrote: post #247

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In this situation, humans are more accurate, for now, so it's good information to have. Same as I would like to know if humans self assessed in a study about how well they drive vs the empirical evidence. Humans just aren't that good at that task so it would be good to know coming in. Just call it Kagi Vibes instead of Kagi News as news has a higher bar (at least for me)

I'm not sure I agree that humans are more accurate at summarizing, but I don't have data, so I'll take your word for it.

I'd point to Wikipedia. You can say the content is "wrong". But the links go to the right place.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by coffeefirst »

__jonas wrote: post #23

Just to be clear I'm understanding correctly: This is pulling the content of the RSS feeds of several news sites into the context window of an LLM and then asking it to summarize news items into articles and fill in the blanks? I'm asking because that is what it looks like, but AI / LLMs are not specifically mentioned in this blog post, they just say news are 'generated' under the 'News in your language' heading, whi…

Yeah. I really like Kagi. This is a terrible idea.

1. It seems to omit key facts from most stories.

2. No economic value is returned to the sources doing the original reporting. This is not okay.

3. If your summary device makes a mistake, and it will, you are absolutely on the hook for libel.

There seem to be some misunderstandings about what news is and what’s makes it well-executed. It’s not the average, it’s the deepest and most accurate reporting. If anyone from the Kagi team wants to discuss, I’m a paying member and I know this field really, really well.

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