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Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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post #247

> Today, we're excited to announce just that: the private beta of Email Sending, a new capability that allows you to send transactional emails directly from Cloudflare Workers. So many comments here assumed from the title they're offering a hosted email service, they aren't, they are announcing their own Sendgrid.

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Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

#323
post #26

It's unfortunate that email hosting and email infrastructure can really be done only well by major players. The days of people running and maintaining their own are pretty much long gone. Fwiw, not a knock against CF. I like their products, mostly simple, fair pricing, etc. Just a bit unfortunate commentary on the state of email infra on the internet.

I see this common pattern where a previously private infrastructure is opened up (usually from low abstraction), and the ecosystem is split into an open base and a private thin layer, and that private layer might just reimplement the same tradeoffs that the incumbent private monoliths made.

Examples being Git/Github, Crypto/Centralized Exchanges, and as per the topic, email.

But I think that it's an important distinction that the base infrastructure is open, and that technically an incumbent could join the fray, albeit with a lot of catching up to do, and mix it up.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

#324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what kind of internet you used but mine didn't randomly decide to block my access to a website because some quasi monopolist decided I wasn't allowed to use a certain website for intransparent reasons.

Being blocked from a web site and having to hit a little box are two different things. Are you talking about the former or the latter? If it's the former ... that has literally never happened to me unless I'm on a VPN and even then it's rarely (if ever) CF that's doing the blocking. If it's the latter then it reflects the sad truth that we can't have nice things anymoret. I have lots of problems with the accessibilit…

It was implied that the "let's check you're human" didn't do a good job at that, causing the block - without a VPN. Meanwhile, certain bots just circumvent it (there's even a couple of videos showing robot arms/fingers prove their humaness) while legit users, even coming from Tor, get blocked. That's the internet I used to know. (I am not in the "everything was better" camp though.)

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

#325
post #4

Eventually all Internet protocols will be MITMed by cloudflare. Your single point of interception!

To be honest, the internet was worse without Cloudflare, so as long as they provide a good service for their customers, I’m fine with it. This is one of those. Google is in a perfect position to compete but they don’t, so it’s not like Cloudflare is a monopoly or something. At least they’re not selling ads using your data.

I started building on Cloudflare, but after their "pay us 120k or else" tactics they got famous for I decided to move code elsewhere.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

#326
post #247

> Today, we're excited to announce just that: the private beta of Email Sending, a new capability that allows you to send transactional emails directly from Cloudflare Workers. So many comments here assumed from the title they're offering a hosted email service, they aren't, they are announcing their own Sendgrid.

More like Amazon SES than Sendgrid.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being blocked from a web site and having to hit a little box are two different things. Are you talking about the former or the latter? If it's the former ... that has literally never happened to me unless I'm on a VPN and even then it's rarely (if ever) CF that's doing the blocking. If it's the latter then it reflects the sad truth that we can't have nice things anymoret. I have lots of problems with the accessibilit…

I can’t book a table at a local restaurant without calling because their resy link is behind Cloudflare and Cloudflare has decided that my up-to-date Firefox is out of date and therefore can’t pass the challenge. In reality it’s more likely that one of my ad blockers is stopping it from doing what it wants. It doesn’t even let me hit the box.

I might whitelist Cloudflare, but it pretends to be not Cloudflare, because it's MITM by design.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, the internet was worse without Cloudflare, so as long as they provide a good service for their customers, I’m fine with it. This is one of those. Google is in a perfect position to compete but they don’t, so it’s not like Cloudflare is a monopoly or something. At least they’re not selling ads using your data.

Arguably, ecommerce was worse without Amazon but are we really better off?

Amazon are no longer the golden standard of e-commerce. I think 5-10 years from today we're going to look back at 2025 as the year Amazon started to destroy itself from within. They are pushing AI to "update" and "optimize" product descriptions. It's already made art supply descriptions a mess and now I see the same thing happening in the music gear section. I noticed that I go to other sites to buy stuff I was planning to buy on Amazon, because I am not sure what I'm buying anymore on Amazon.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Being blocked from a web site and having to hit a little box are two different things. Maybe for you. But I don't let random unvetted websites run code on my computer. Checking that box requires it.

So you're blocking yourself? Seems really disingenuous to imply it's someone's fault when you know it's your own.

Due to implementation chosen by Cloudflare, allowing Cloudflare also allows the proxied website to run code, because Cloudflare blends with it, but why the proxied website should be trusted if the challenge is served by Cloudflare?

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

#330
post #5

Great move. Will probably switch to it immediately from Sendgrid as soon as it goes GA. Sendgrid recently killed their free tier (100 emails per day) and their lowest plan is now $20/month for 50,000 emails. It's totally overkill for low traffic projects.

Mailgun offers 100 emails/day for free [1]

[1] https://www.mailgun.com/pricing/

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