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Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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They did their job: they discouraged the construction of high-speed rail. Musk has, IIRC, actually admitted that this was their purpose.

No it didn't. The Hyperloop had no impact what so ever on California High Speed Rail.

You're right, it wasn't about high speed rail.

It was about scuttling the expansion of the monorail to the airport.

Musk just picked up after the taxi cartel collapsed.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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They've only built out the system at the Las Vegas Convention Center, and every other project seems to have fallen through.

They've only built out the system at the Las Vegas Convention Center Kinda sorta. It only operates a few hours a day, and the cars are not self-driving. It's like a dedicated tunnel for Ubers.

They need to take lessons from the Morgantown PRT, which designed the system they want 50 years ago and whose capabilities they have yet to match.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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One of my biggest criticisms of Elon is that he rarely takes accountability for his words and nobody ever holds him accountable by asking directly. This isn't a high bar to clear, but some people continuously excuse him as being "overly-eager" in his predictions. If that was the case, he could still provide reasonable updates when a predicted date is missed along with an explanation, even if it's just: "Hey, it turns…

He lies relentlessly even to customers who paid for the product. I know because I’m one of them. FSD paid in full almost seven years ago, still does absolutely nothing in Europe. A five-year-old would do a better job at driving because the Tesla can’t even see speed limit signs correctly. Tesla takes no responsibility for their misleading marketing and years of lies. Most recently Musk promised in early 2025 that the…

Why did you buy FSD if you are in Europe?

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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The issue is that if you look at Tesla as a normal car company (without an iconoclast CEO/personality), then you need to do normal P/E math, which is going to be sub-100 for sure. Right now it’s easily double to triple that, even with Musks behavior.

Normal P/E math for a car company would put it in more like the 10-20 region - we’re not talking it being double to triple a sensible valuation but seriously something like 15 times…

He definitely has the shareholders by the balls. No doubt about it.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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One of my biggest criticisms of Elon is that he rarely takes accountability for his words and nobody ever holds him accountable by asking directly. This isn't a high bar to clear, but some people continuously excuse him as being "overly-eager" in his predictions. If that was the case, he could still provide reasonable updates when a predicted date is missed along with an explanation, even if it's just: "Hey, it turns…

In America, you fail the second you apologize or take accountability. Ignoring criticism and deflecting all the time gets you further, as it is part of the game. Unfortunately, this is just an accepted social science-y thing at this point. It is a very much cultural thing of the past couple of decades.

In America, you actually don't fail when you're wealthy.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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There's sort of an analogous conundrum with Airbus-style automation: the system has various levels of automation and protection (e.g. preventing you from stalling the plane) And then when something goes wrong, you are unceremoniously handed a plane with potentially some or all of those protections no longer active. As an analogy, imagine your FSD car was trying to slow down for something, but along the way there is s…

It’s important to point out that airline pilots are trained to handle sudden emergencies. This has been incredibly successful at scale. But it came great expense of both money and lost lives. And it still isn’t perfect. The level of training required to oversee full automation is non-trivial if you have to do more than press a stop button.

Notably, it’s likely harder than… just driving yourself.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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I think Elon would say that this is a regulatory problem because you guys don't have the same signs or distance units as in the US.

So why take money for it? And computer vision is well past the stage where the information can be read from these signs, theres enough training data. So thats not a real hurdle. If different road geometry or traffic customs/rules is the issue then just admit that FSD cant generalize like a human and is overfit to the us. Why lie and pretend its almost human level?

It is purely a regulatory problem. FSD is not available in Europe due to the slow pace of regulatory approval.

For instance UNECE regulation 79 prevents FSD from using its full capacity to turn the steering wheel.

It's a rat's nest of red tape.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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In America, you fail the second you apologize or take accountability. Ignoring criticism and deflecting all the time gets you further, as it is part of the game. Unfortunately, this is just an accepted social science-y thing at this point. It is a very much cultural thing of the past couple of decades.

It's too bad, because "I'm sorry; this is my fault" is the biggest diffuser of anger and best way to appease mad customers. Try it sometime; the other party goes from ready to kill you to apologetic themselves (if you're genuine). Unfortunately it's seen as a sign of weakness by people like Elon and his cult of impersonators and an admission of liability by the litigious crowd. If you can be strong, confident and rea…

The Japanese seem to have this in their DNA.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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You’ve been driving for 30 years and have never seen a semi truck tire in the middle of the road after it ripped off the rim of a truck?

Honestly no, not in the middle of the road, but plenty on the side. The only things I come across in the middle of the roads are paper bags or cardboard for some reason. But also, I doubt you would break your swaybar running over some retreads

Driving I-5 up to Portland I had to dodge a dresser that was standing upright somehow in the middle of the lane. The truck in front of me moved into the other lane revealing that thing just standing there, I had to quickly make an adjustment similar to what this tesla should have done. Teslas also have lower bellys, my jeep would have gone over the debris in the video no problem.
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