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You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by sokoloff »

b112 wrote: post #309
xpe wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems to me like people have to push back more directly with a collective effort; otherwise the incentives are all wrong.

What I don't get, is why people think this action has value. The maintainer of the project could ask an LLM to do that. A senior dev. I can't imagine Googling for something, seeing someone on (for example) stackoverflow commenting on code, and then filing a bug to the maintainer. And just copy and pasting what someone else said, into the bug report. All without even comprehending the code, the project, or even runnin…

I have two teenagers. They sometimes have a completely warped view of how hard things are or that other people have probably thought the same things that they’re just now able to think.

(This is completely understandable and “normal” IMO.)

But it leads them to sometimes think that they’ve made a breakthrough and not sharing it would be selfish.

I think people online can see other people filing insightful bug reports, having that activity be viewed positively, misdiagnose the thought they have as being insightful, and file a bug report based on that.

At its core, I think it’s a mild version of narcissism or self-centeredness / lack of perspective.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by philipwhiuk »

gigatree wrote: post #297
Miraltar wrote: post #235

This example is much worse: https://hackerone.com/reports/2298307

Wow that’s infuriating. Fascinating watching the maintainer respond in good faith.

bagder is both extremely grumpy about the state of it and fascinatingly patient.

He's like 80% wise old barn owl.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by hashtag-til »

b112 wrote: post #309
xpe wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems to me like people have to push back more directly with a collective effort; otherwise the incentives are all wrong.

What I don't get, is why people think this action has value. The maintainer of the project could ask an LLM to do that. A senior dev. I can't imagine Googling for something, seeing someone on (for example) stackoverflow commenting on code, and then filing a bug to the maintainer. And just copy and pasting what someone else said, into the bug report. All without even comprehending the code, the project, or even runnin…

I'd say that people take everything as if it was gamified. So the motivation would be just to boast about "raised 1 gazillion security reports in open-source project such as curl, etc. etc.".

AI just make these idiots faster these days, because the only cost for them to is typing "inspect `curl` code base and generate me some security reports".

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by baobun »

JackFr wrote: post #313
AJ007 wrote: post #308

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This is the bull case for AI, as with any significant advance in technology eventually you have no choice but to use it. In this case, the only way to filter through large volumes of AI output is going to be with other LLM models. The exponential growth of compute and data continues.. As a side note, if anyone I'm communicating with - personally or in business - sends responses that sound like they were written by Ch…

> As a side note, if anyone I'm communicating with - personally or in business - sends responses that sound like they were written by ChatGPT 3.5, 4o, GPT-5-low, etc, I don't take anything they write seriously anymore. What if they are a very limited English speaker, using the AI to tighten up their responses into grammatical, idiomatic English?

I'd rather have broken grammar and an honest and useful meta-signal than botched semantics.

Also that better not be a sensitive conversation or contain personal details or business internals of others...

Just don't.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by ambicapter »

ttyyzz wrote: post #11

Over time, I've gotten a feel for what kind of content is AI-generated (e.g., images, text, and especially code...), and this text screams "AI" from top to bottom. I think badger responded very professionally; I'd be interested to see Linus Torvalds' reaction in such a situation :D

This one was pretty obvious, I shudder at the thought that they're going to get more subtle over time.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by whstl »

hashtag-til wrote: post #323
b112 wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I don't get, is why people think this action has value. The maintainer of the project could ask an LLM to do that. A senior dev. I can't imagine Googling for something, seeing someone on (for example) stackoverflow commenting on code, and then filing a bug to the maintainer. And just copy and pasting what someone else said, into the bug report. All without even comprehending the code, the project, or even runnin…

I'd say that people take everything as if it was gamified. So the motivation would be just to boast about "raised 1 gazillion security reports in open-source project such as curl, etc. etc.". AI just make these idiots faster these days, because the only cost for them to is typing "inspect `curl` code base and generate me some security reports".

I remember the Digital Ocean "t-shirt gate" scandal, where people would add punctuation to README files of random repositories to win a free t-shirt.

https://domenic.me/hacktoberfest/

It wasn't fun if you had anything with a few thousand stars on Github.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by bwfan123 »

trod1234 wrote: post #301
pravj wrote: post #180

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This resonates a lot with some observations I drafted last week about "AI Slop" at the workplace. Overall, people are making a net-negative contribution by not having a sense of when to review/filter the responses generated by AI tools, because either (i) someone else is required to make that additional effort, or (ii) the problem is not solved properly. This sounds similar to a few patterns I noted - The average len…

There's a growing body of evidence that AI is damaging people, aside from the obvious slop related costs to review (as a resource attack). I've seen colleagues that were quite good at programming when we first met, and over time have become much worse with the only difference being they were forced to use AI on a regular basis. I'm of the opinion that the distorted reflected appraisal mechanism it engages through com…

> aside from the obvious slop related costs to review

Code-review tools (code-rabbit/greptile) produce enormous amounts of slop counterbalanced by the occasional useful tip. And cursor and the like love to produce nicely formatted sloppy READMEs.

These tools - just like many of us humans - prioritize form over function.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by hersko »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #322
gigatree wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow that’s infuriating. Fascinating watching the maintainer respond in good faith.

bagder is both extremely grumpy about the state of it and fascinatingly patient. He's like 80% wise old barn owl.

He's a pillar of the community. When i was starting out i made a basic PR to cURL to fix some typos and he was kind enough to engage and walk me through some other related changes i could add to the PR.

I think he's a genuinely nice person.

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