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I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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> And since your car needs so much power stored in its battery to drive, it will probably pull more power than any other electrical appliance in your home. Probably? No, it pulls less than my dryer which runs at 240V15A I think but also just the same as my 1500W space heater. You can totally control how much power the charger should draw. > With that much power, there’s a risk of overheating and fire. Unlike a dedica…

Your dryer will load the socket for far less time than a car charger and will probably not use 15A for the entire drying cycle. It’s the long charge time that leads to heat buildup, not the max amp. Where I am from standard outlets can deliver 16A but are not rated for more than 6A if the load is longer than 2 hours.

Here it's 15A and the charger itself actually tops out at 12A as is common. Perhaps that being common is how to avoid fires. I'm actually not sure now if that's a law or just best practice here.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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I have a lease end coming up and the Bolt/EUV are on my radar, but one significant advantage that Leafs have is that the lower trims can have their head unit swapped out for a nice Pioneer or Sony unit from Crutchfield, just like is possible with many ICE vehicles, which can get you a nicer infotainment experience (including wireless CarPlay/AA) that isn’t encrusted with rent-seeking gunk.

> just like is possible with many ICE vehicles Many older ICE vehicles, you mean? EVs aren't really special in their use of custom car-bound head units. BMW XDrive is the same XDrive they have in their EVs as they have in their ICEs. Mandatory backup cams is only going to accelerate that.

It’s an unfortunate trend. I’m not sure mandatory backup cameras is really a driving cause, though — the bulk of third party head units have backup cam support out of the box and some even let you add a 360° overhead parking view if you’re willing to drill some holes and wire cameras.

The biggest reason for non-modular infotainment is to push people into subscription services.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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> that is 8-10 hours of constant motorway speed driving and its not safe to drive that long [citation needed] considering plenty of people do it all the time (truck drivers)

Aren't truck drivers required to take breaks by law?

By Canadian law IIRC it's 30 minutes every 8 hours or so. However it can still be split up to 2x 15 minute breaks, and it's only a break from driving; loading/unloading, inspections, hooking up or unhook, paperwork, etc is counted as as taking a break.

The lower provinces allow up to 13 hours per day of driving and a total 14 hours per day on duty time before you're required to take a 10 hour rest in a single 24 hour period. The northern territories I believe legally allow up to 15 hours driving per day.

That's just what I've read so take it for what it's worth.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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> it will likely retain almost no value as time goes on. If you're buying a car as an investment I have bad news for you...

Sure, but you can buy one for $12k and get almost nothing back, or buy a more modern EV for $25k and maybe get $13k back. In both cases you are losing $12k in a few years, but in one of the cases you get a more modern car.

Scrap value of a car is several thousand dollars these days. The OP's $12K car is likely going to last > 10 years. A $25k will likely depreciate more $12K in 10 years.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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To be fair, non-Tesla networks are catching up. I moved from Tesla to BMW i4 (I had a quite significant disagreement with Elon when it comes to international politics), and I was worried about finding non-Tesla charges. I took a few long distance trips so far (US Northeast), and I had zero problems. Plus, if you are lucky, you get 2 year free charging from BMW, and they've enabled plug-and-charge recently. So, you ju…

which networks/providers are good?

Electrify America is great.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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I literally bought the cheapest EV: 400 dollars for a 2012 nissan leaf with 80% battery life and 80k miles (saved from being junked.) MA taxes and delivery made it about 1k when it was all said and done. Insurance is 400/year. We fit 3 kid seats in the back and have replaced all our metropolitan rides with the nissan. Ostensibly we are all Our range is 60 miles in the summer, 50 in the winter. Because of how we use i…

is your excise tax really 375? my 2014 honda civic is only $50

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Crazy he wouldn't go for a Bolt. I just bought a 2019 Chevy Bolt w/ 11k miles for $14.5k (so a bit over 10k after federal rebate). It has a brand new battery because all the Bolts were recalled for battery issues. Has around 250m range. Feel like I won the lottery. Still plenty of them available https://www.donohooauto.com/searchused.aspx?Make=Chevrolet&M...

I was so close to pulling the trigger on one of these except for 3 factors: It's driving assist platform is now deprecated and no longer receiving area expansions (I know many could not care less), it's charging speed is pretty slow by today's norms, and it will likely retain almost no value as time goes on.

Lane keeping works (poorly) but Bolt's automatic cruise control implementation is really good and works in stop and go traffic and at street speeds. I've used ACS systems before that refused to work in both those scenarios.

Charging time for road trips sucks. 99% of my driving is around town. Being a smaller EV it fits city life very well and I just top it off on a 120v plug every night.

I got a 2023 fully loaded with sunroof (except super cruise) for 24k, only had 40 miles on it.

That said the app is horrible and you can see how GM just didn't give a shit all throughout the car. No AC/dog mode. If you shift too fast after turning the car on you have to reboot the car using a secret method that is buried on forums (anyone reading this, don't press break, hold down the power button until the car restarts) and you can only remotely turn climate on to its last setting from the app.

Oh and even if you pay monthly for remote access just checking the charge level through your phone probably won't work (time outs...) and locating your car really won't work.

If you turn on climate remotely, drive somewhere less than 10 minutes away and then get out, you may try to turn climate back on using the app, but that won't work because the app has a really long cool down before it even checks the car to see what the status is so you end up in an invalid state where the app thinks the car is still on even though you just stepped out and turned it off.

Resistive heating means even with Seattle's mild winters I barely have 200 miles of range.

The car isn't smart enough to close the sunroof visor on hot days to keep the car cool.

In general it feels like what it is - a mid 2010s car that was far behind Tesla at the time for thoughtful details (expected given the year and GM) that was sold into the 2020s way after other manufacturers had updated their cars electronics to have common sense features.

That said some details are nice. You can be connected to car play and Android Auto at the same time and designate one of those as primary for apps and navigation but take calls through both. Physical climate controls are appreciated, and the rain sensing wipers actually work well. ;)

The 360 camera is wonderful to have. It cost me $10k vs getting a the base trim car, totally worth it.

I bought it April 2024 and I have some 0 maintenance other than car washes. So damn cheap to own.

In the 16 months I've owned it I've only put on 6k miles and it'll never pay for itself on gas savings , but last car was totalled and I legit enjoyed test driving the EUV more than a Lexus UX 300h that cost a lot more.

So anyways happy with the purchase, great value, horrible for road trips but I do them anyway.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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My neighbor has an Ioniq 5, styling-wise it's cooler than my Tesla. Reminds me of Corrado -- one of my favorite cars. But we have had night and day experiences with charging our EVs. The supercharger network seems effortless & flawless -- almost too good. No payments, planning. The stations are clean, quiet & secluded. Just follow the Nav and charge. The third-party network has been a disaster for my neighbor. He's h…

People tolerate other EVs in two ways: 1. You charge at home and typically drive relatively short distances, meaning you almost never have to interact with a commercial charger; or 2. If you need to rely on commercial chargers, you live in a part of the world where Tesla was never allowed to build a charging network monopoly (i.e anywhere outside the US), or in a part of the US where there's decent fast charging infr…

do you live in some communist country where businesses need to get approval ?

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Get a Japanese water boiler. They keep the water at boiling in a reservoir, so it's already hot when you want it, no waiting.

Chinese offer this also. My wife just got one a few months ago, I think these are new things. 220V has a real advantage in boiling water fast in traditional kettles though (I used to live in china and they were twice as fast as the ones in America). It is almost worth getting a 220V outlet in a kitchen just to support fast water kettles.

There are an insignificant number of kitchens with unused 220V outlets. 220V was wired in in case the owner wanted to install an electric stove, but a gas stove was installed instead. The problem is that it's in an inconvenient location and running a 220V/30A extension cord beside a stove is a really bad idea.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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I can confirm that, here in Greece, everything is CCS2. There are also CHAdeMO ports here and there, but I don't know what car uses those. However, I haven't seen a station that takes card yet (or they don't advertise it). They all have their own app, which is inconvenient and a hassle.

> but I don't know what car uses those It is exactly this kind of Nissan Leaf. Japanese older generation cars. Enough around to still be available, but I think it is slowly disappearing. After that only 6kW (32A/single phase) charging will be available for these cars.

There are fast charging adapters from CCS2 (and CCS1) to CHAdeMO:

https://www.electway-charger.com/CCS2_to_CHAdeMO_adapter.htm...

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