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Post by ajoberstar »

esseph wrote: post #315
ajoberstar wrote: post #314

I was on my 3rd Synology over the last 12 years or so. They were solid and something I didn't have to pay attention to. But the drive lock-in tipped me over the edge when I needed to expand space. I'm getting burned out with all of these corporate products gradually taking away your control (Synology, Sonos, Harmony, etc.). Even though it takes more time and attention, I ended up building my own NAS with ZFS on Debia…

> can't see it's that reasonable a use of time That totally depends on if you enjoyed yourself and maybe learned something or not. Totally up to you!

Definitely. Should have phrased it as "cant's see it's that reasonable a use of time _for most people_".

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Post by aidenn0 »

joshstrange wrote: post #106
exmadscientist wrote: post #98

A big part of the appeal of Synology was that you could just forget about it . I have a little one in the corner that's just been sitting there serving files out over SMB for years now. It doesn't need to do anything more and I don't need to think about it. A lot of the alternatives being proposed are not so easy to maintain. A full general purpose OS install doesn't really take care of itself. And I don't have (and…

This. I came to Synology after years of managing regular Linux (Debian) servers, then Unraid, and then Synology. Synology was the most expensive thing I’ve used but I also _never_ think about it. The same could not be said for previous setups. I want a stupid-easy NAS, plug-and-play, hotswapable bays. I’m not interested in having to shut down a tower and open it up to swap/add drives. I have 2x12-bay Synology’s and I…

They make hotswap bays that fit in 5.25" drive bays, and you can find NOS towers that have the necessary number of drive bays.

There are also 3d-printale cases where you buy a SATA backplane and screw it in.

It doesn't solve your software problem (though maybe TrueNAS might work?).

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Post by aidenn0 »

M95D wrote: post #50

But self-building a NAS is still a problem, and I'm also talking about this [1] article from the same blog: There are NO low power NAS boards. I'm talking about something with an ARM CPU, no video, no audio, lots of memory (or SODIMM slot) and 10+ SATA ports. Sure, anyone can buy a self-powered USB3 hub and add 7 external HDDs to a raspbery, but that level of performance is really really low, not to mention the USB r…

https://jackharvest.com/ has some DIY options.

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Post by lmm »

bayindirh wrote: post #181
lmm wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> only units which are accessible from the internet Sort of. Accessible via Asustor's own software which they'd been promoting to users, which I'm pretty sure had some kind of hole punching / bridge node setup so that you could use it even if you were blocking all inbound connections to your NAS. Obviously if you completely disconnect it from the internet in both directions then you're safe (but also can't get update…

I plan to keep mine in an egress only state behind NAT (It can connect somewhere, but it's not reachable). Maybe, maybe I'll include it in my VPN setup.

Yeah, that was the state mine was in, it didn't save me.

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Post by extraisland »

M95D wrote: post #246
horsawlarway wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference here is pretty much negligible to the vast majority of folks. 10w is... Nothing. There are only very specific cases where it's worth picking hardware on this constraint, and unless you're on a solar powered sail boat or something similarly niche, you probably shouldn't be prioritizing this. In my region, 10w comes out to about 0.90 USD/month. Or roughly 3 pennies a day. Over the entire lifetime of the…

I've done the calculations just now: 10W constant over 10 years would cost me 275 euro. My hard drives (7 ST2000DL003 and one ST2000DL001) are 10-15 years old now. They're all different batches, none failed yet, so I expect it to last at least 5 more years, possibly a lot more. The current NAS setup I have (router + DAS + 2 USB) is around 50W. Over 20years it will cost me ~2800 euro in today's prices. So you see, the…

> 10W constant over 10 years would cost me 275 euro.

€2.30 per month. Which is almost nothing.

> Over 20years it will cost me ~2800 euro in today's prices.

That is €11 a month over 20 years. So the extra 10 watts is still next to nothing even taking into account your exaggerated time frames, which I am dubious as to whether this is real.

I am certainly not going to worry about €11 a month.

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Post by spauldo »

It's probably different if you're at a company that actually does what they should and keeps up with all the service contracts and whatnot. I wouldn't know because I always end up at the other type of company.

But I will never buy a NAS or SAN from a company that uses custom firmware on drives. Some dipshit beancounter will come along, "save" some money by not renewing the service contract, and then I'm off hunting for replacement drives on eBay.

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Post by noisy_boy »

poulpy123 wrote: post #137
noisy_boy wrote: post #135

For someone very comfortable with desktop Linux and NAS curious without much hardware skills, are there any good guides to get started? I use a HDD enclosure with two 2TB disks shoved in but the content availability is dependent on my laptop being on. I would rather have JellyFin running on my NAS/media server so that we can watch stuff on TV even when the laptop is off. Would be good to be able to access the network…

Since you're comfortable with linux, you really don't need a tutorial. Just buy a cheap minipc or maybe a raspberry if you fancy it, install the distribution of your choice or something more complete like OMV7, plug your enclosure and you're done

That could work. The only thing I have noticed with my laptop+ enclosure based setup is that the disks go to "sleep", probably due to power management, so if it has been a while since I accessed the contents, I need to click on the mount point in the explorer window for the disks to start spinning and the files to be available again. I don't want to deal with that so I was thinking that a box with slots for multiple internal disks will not have such issues. I can try to tinker with USB power settings but that could be a time sink/brittle solution.

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Post by malnourish »

tshaddox wrote: post #226
exmadscientist wrote: post #98

A big part of the appeal of Synology was that you could just forget about it . I have a little one in the corner that's just been sitting there serving files out over SMB for years now. It doesn't need to do anything more and I don't need to think about it. A lot of the alternatives being proposed are not so easy to maintain. A full general purpose OS install doesn't really take care of itself. And I don't have (and…

That's right. I bought a DS1019+ in 2019 and it's been running constantly for 6 years (except for a handful of power outages and house moves). The power adapter did fail last year and I had to buy a dodgy (albeit well-reviewed) third-party replacement.

Similar story. My dodgy, well received PSU died fast and took a couple drives with it. That wasn't fun. Bought an official replacement
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