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Post by frm88 »

x775 wrote: post #180

Hello! I made this website. Thank you for sharing. I appreciate all the feedback, and have implemented a few changes. A few points worth accentuating to avoid any misunderstandings. It is correct that the current proposal indeed is at the Council level, introduced as a high-priority item by the Danish Presidency. It is not yet with the Parliament. This is important as both need to be in agreement for any legislation…

Thank you for your good work. Yours is the best resource I found for (a) more information and (b) sending mass e-mails to MEPs.

I encourage everyone to at least contact your MEPS, x775's effort makes that part easy.

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Post by isaacremuant »

Krssst wrote: post #286
isaacremuant wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't quite understand your point. I also meant covid policies. Not covid itself.

They probably meant January 6th rebels being pardoned giving the example that extremists that aim at preventing democratic election results from going into effect can do as they want. Which is a much bigger problem than "stay home a bit to avoid unintentionally killing people".

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Post by elric »

munksbeer wrote: post #316
elric wrote: post #307

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IMO this kind of pedantry detracts from the message. We know that the EC is pushing it, but the EC does not represent the people, that's the job of MEPs. Thus a list of MEPs from countries, colour coded by whether or not the country is known to support the position. And optionally a marker for their personal opinion if known.

> but the EC does not represent the people, that's the job of MEP The European Council is the heads of each member state. They are literally the people elected by each nation state domestically. If they don't represent the people, then that means national democracy is broken (which I agree with in cases like the UK) but I'm making a more general point. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/european-council/

I wasn't talking about the council, but the commission. The acronym confusion is unfortunate.

Point is that these people are very far removed from elections and political consequences. They also seem to be the types who have no idea what "normal" people are like.

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Post by myaccountonhn »

uncircle wrote: post #7
mantas wrote: post #5

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As Juncker, ex president of European Commision said, you keep trying till it passes at some point. Good luck revoking it later…

Ah, the marvels of modern democracy. No serious way to enact change, politicians still do whatever the hell they want, and we still believe that voting for someone else will change things. It’ll soon be like the UK, that if you campaign against this kinda stuff, the party in power publicly calls you a paedophile. Because only people with something to hide want privacy. Privacy is a losing proposition. Governments hav…

No serious way to enact change? That's not true at all.

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Post by quetzthecoatl »

uncircle wrote: post #7
mantas wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As Juncker, ex president of European Commision said, you keep trying till it passes at some point. Good luck revoking it later…

Ah, the marvels of modern democracy. No serious way to enact change, politicians still do whatever the hell they want, and we still believe that voting for someone else will change things. It’ll soon be like the UK, that if you campaign against this kinda stuff, the party in power publicly calls you a paedophile. Because only people with something to hide want privacy. Privacy is a losing proposition. Governments hav…

the western democracy was lost not with trump/farage etc but with the entrenched liberals who decried democracy redefining it as populism and institutional entrenchment as true democracy. This is fallout from it. The populist movements happened because the liberals who once stood for working class people abandoned the poor and working class. Nobody cared then and some even mocked the working class. Now everyone here/reddit/etc cares because suddenly they are affected and its an issue that they identify with and not just the working class. Good times. You won't be able to do anything. They will walk all over you just like when they walked all over the working class.

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Post by amarino »

tomgag wrote: post #213

I'm Italian. On my side, I did what I could do: I emailed Italian politicians explaining why they should reject the proposal. A drop in the ocean, and far from impactful, but if it can change the odds even by an epsilon, why not? https://gagliardoni.net/#20250805_chatcontrol Big politics is not my thing, so for me the big effort was: 1) understanding who, among the zillions of politicians we have, could have a direct…

Thank you for sharing this, it saved me quite some time and I coincidentally found a great resource (your blog).

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Post by Svip »

throwaway89201 wrote: post #126

Please also fight mandatory age verification with prison sentences. The European Parliament has already voted in favor of a law that mandates age verification for pornography with a one year prison sentence. It was included as a last minute amendment into this bill [1]. See "Amendment 186". It has been completely missed by news organizations and even interest groups. The full accepted article reads: "Disseminating po…

A little more context: that article 3 paragraph 2.a. was added by parliament (not proposed by the Commission). But paragraph 1 (same article) was altered to this text:

> Member States shall take the necessary measures to ensure that the intentional conduct referred to in paragraphs 2 to 8 is punishable.

(Emphasis being the change.)

So they only mean the intentional act of putting up pornography without age verification? Just feign forgetfulness, I guess. How is a negative act an intentional one? Or moreover; how do you prove it? I know neglect and gross neglect are things, so I assume they mean if you don't do it after being asked to.

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