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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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> It's ethno-nationalist supremacy by a powerful group believing they are superior to others who are seen as "animals". And this largely encapsulates the original definition of racism/racialism; it was far more extreme than hating some other race (which has become the modern dictionary definition). Hating Mexicans who (you incorrectly believe) are taking jobs that Americans would have filled is a very different menta…

> ...is a very different mental state to believing that a group of humans is no better than animals Is it really? At the very least, the borders between those mental states seem quite blurry. As soon as one group targets another for hatred, they're essentially saying that the target group is lesser in some way. It's like the first step off the cliff edge - you might still be near the top of the cliff, but now it's ju…

> the current US president, who has literally said things like, "they're not humans, they're animals,"

Oh... wow. I didn't realize it had gone that far. A very poor example in that case. Here's a more crisp example:

The "white man" was, by original (and modern) definition, racist in regards to Africa, we categorically believed that "whites" were better than "blacks" - and that's not only the export of slaves to America. Things were pretty dire even within current human memory, and pockets of racists continue to thrive today (it seemed largely based on age in my experience, all of my friends weren't but many 50+ were).

Contrast that with Malema's "kill the boer" song that I'm sure many international folks have heard[1]. The underlying cause for this is hatred stems from the aforementioned historical and current racism - there is no belief that "we are better" (there is certainly a belief that "we are more deserving of our ancestral land"). Malema couldn't be a racist using the original definition of racism, but definitely is using the modern definition.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubul%27_ibhunu

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Right. But before you could “run away” if you were willing to. Today you don’t have places to run to without running into other people willing to defend their places. In the past you had lots and lots of peoples who just got erased as modern concepts of fairness and justice didn’t work the same way. See the warring states period.

The last major landmass to be settled I believe is Madagascar, only settled ~1500 years ago, with only scattered, remote islands remaining unsettled past that point. Madagascar itself is an island, albeit one of the largest in the world, so enough to constitute 'major landmass' in my book; discount all island groups entirely, and the unsettled lands haven't existed for over 10,000 years. What that means is that all o…

There are people who, for various reasons, didn't need to displace the original inhabitants, e.g. the Hutterites.

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Why would the other side need to protest?

Maybe some people don't agree with Hamas massacre of civilians and the continued kidnapping of civilians (including children)?

Nobody should agree with that.

The problem comes when they only focus on Hamas, and ignore Israel's kidnapping and detention of 10k Palestinians without being charged. AKA, "hostages".

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> Palestinian lives simply do not matter Lives in Palestine get far more attention than Burma, West Africa, Ethiopia and Sudan [1]. The basic truth is lives far removed from us tend to be forgettable. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_confli...

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It's whataboutism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

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You reminded me of this interview with Harlan Ellison that was making the rounds a while ago [0]. I think there's some kernel of truth there. I've heard a lot of people from both sides say that they prefer to die than to leave the land. So following up on Harlan's proposal, I would be in favour of the international community owning up to the situation and offering full asylum and permanent resettlement with a short-t…

There is no such thing as an "international community". No other country wants to accept large numbers of Palestinian refugees. Regardless of whether this is fair or not, they are seen as a security risk.

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> it seems to me that there is an equal amount of people cheering the settlers as there are people against what they're doing Speaking out of my ass here. But I’d guess most people don’t care. A minority cheers. A minority protests. Most go on with their lives.

No offense, but why would you speak about a topic you know little about?

Possibly because smart people with expertise, usually hard-won through years of focus and study, make the common fallacy that they are experts in unrelated areas, even if they haven't put in the effort to become experts.

Too many secretly believe they're Renaissance polymaths, instead of being humble enough to admit they don't know something.

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>Claiming Palestinians are being ignored is not. False. USA continues to ignore the plight of Palestinians and continues to fund and arm the regime that kills them

> USA continues to ignore the plight of Palestinians and continues to fund and arm the regime that kills them False monolith. To the extent there is a single foreign policy issue dominating the American public consciousness, it’s Gaza. Palestinian lives are not being ignored. There isn’t universal compassion for them. But the average American has more developed views on this topic than for any comparable conflict aro…

> Palestinian lives are not being ignored.

In many US states it is criminalized to support Palestinian statehood past a certain point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws

You can argue that American citizens aren't unaware, but the politicians are born and bred to ignore this catastrophe. We have laws to stop them from caring.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Bunch of racist Israeli hooligans that were thrown into the Amsterdam Canals got more outrage from the international media and diplomats than a livestreamed cold blooded murder by a terrorist. This is everything you need to know about the world we live in. Palestinian lives simply do not matter.

Tell me, where are Jews supposed to go if not to their historic homeland?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Mu...

> Today, Jews residing in Muslim countries have been reduced to a small fraction of their former sizes, with Iran and Turkey being home to the largest remaining Jewish populations, followed by Morocco, Tunisia, Lebanon, Yemen, Algeria, Syria, Pakistan and Iraq. This was due to Zionist recruitment, religious beliefs, economic reasons, widespread persecution, antisemitism, political instability and curbing of human rights in Muslim-majority countries.

"From the river to the sea, Palestine will be Muslim," they say. Where then, should the Jews be allowed to live? Only in Brooklyn?

> Until the 1960s, approximately one million Jews lived in Iran and other Arab countries having arrived in the region more than 2,000 years before. Nowadays, it is estimated that only around 15,000 remain, as the majority of the Jewish population in Muslim lands were forced to flee their homes

https://sephardicu.com/history/jewish-population-in-10-islam...

Hamas could surrender at any time. They're to blame for everything.

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>Claiming Palestinians are being ignored is not. False. USA continues to ignore the plight of Palestinians and continues to fund and arm the regime that kills them

> USA continues to ignore the plight of Palestinians and continues to fund and arm the regime that kills them False monolith. To the extent there is a single foreign policy issue dominating the American public consciousness, it’s Gaza. Palestinian lives are not being ignored. There isn’t universal compassion for them. But the average American has more developed views on this topic than for any comparable conflict aro…

The last genocide aided and abetted by America was probably the genocide of native americans.
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