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Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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> No one is going to invest there for a very long time after what Russia did. Many large businesses have returned to Russia. "No one is going to invest" is a naive childish thinking. They outperformed growth expectations in 2024, unemployment rate dropped from 5.8% in 2020 to 2.3% in 2025. GDP is surging, insane tech and energy investments from China. Plus Russia has a very low public debt. All in all, their economy…

> unemployment rate dropped from 5.8% in 2020 to 2.3% in 2025 Because a massive amount of men were conscripted? > GDP is surging https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window Spending ~30% of the country's budget on military hardware that will get blown up might look good, GDP wise, but is utterly unproductive.

> Because a massive amount of men were conscripted?

That's an emotional oversimplification. Unemployment fell not because of conscription, but due to massive import substitution and rising labor demand in construction, logistics and manufacturing.

Despite sanctions, Russia's ruble-adjusted budget deficit remains manageable, and the trade balance is strong due to record energy exports. Military spending has driven industrial revitalization. Factories reopened, supply chains revamped and domestic R&D expanded.

Whether you agree with the morality or not, economically it’s not just money burned. It has multiplier effects: jobs, tech development and regional growth. Dismissing that is lazy.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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In the USA? Where you can be sued if someone slips on your sidewalk? Can't you sue the gvmt?

Why would you be able to sue the government for conducting a search authorized by a judge? It's expected that result of some searches is "Oopsie doopsie nothing found".

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Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Australia. We looked into anything that could be done to minimise the chances of such a thing happening to innocent parties, but the only option was to make a complaint about an individual officer. There's no (easy, obvious) way to question the system they use to determine "validity" of raids or due diligence prior to requesting a warrant, or evidence required to justify a warrant. The whole thing just felt to me lik…

It's good for children in the US to learn early that they can't trust the police.

In which country can the children trust the police?

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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What's interesting is that this whole challenge is making Russia stronger. Russia has increased its military industry and its now running full steam. Every attack is giving them an opportunity to harden. All of that is meaningless if it makes Russia stronger and more resilient to embargos and cyber/physical attacks in the long run. For all of this to have meaning it has to have a fall of USSR kind of impact at some p…

Are they? They're running at full stream and yet they're still in a years-long stalemate in Ukraine?

Authoritarian governments always fail, because they get used to achieving everything by simply ordering it to be achieved, while the laws of physics don't obey orders.

Meanwhile they're murdering how many of their own soldiers per day?

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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In the USA? Where you can be sued if someone slips on your sidewalk? Can't you sue the gvmt?

The government has endless resources; you would go bankrupt unless a law firm saw a huge payout in taking your case. The system is rigged in favor of the government. They could have burned down his house and the neighbor's house, and not been responsible. Land of the free, God Bless America......

This was in Australia but your point stands.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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This seems a bit of a stretch of a claim to make. In what ways would you say that Russia is a decade behind? I visited Russia a few years ago. Commercially, they have all the same technology we have (for me, in the UK). Like us, they outsource most of their manufacturing to China, but internally they produce software equivalent to (or to be honest greater than) what we produce. The difference seems to be that a lot o…

> This seems a bit of a stretch of a claim to make. In what ways would you say that Russia is a decade behind? Every country had it's own facebook. The difference was not features but scale. Russia scales to million of users. Facebook/Google etc. scale to billions of users. Everybody use Office, Chrome, commercial CADs, etc. Russia has no alternatives in most of these categories, and where it has alternatives - it's…

I have no love (or even reason) to support modern Russia, but this is just wrong.

Russia has multiple home-grown office suites. Besides MS Office, the market leader still is full of bugs that harken back decades.

They also have multiple commercial CAD programs (KOMPAS, T-FLEX) that scale up to everything including airliners.

As for those 'western' top programmers, especially good ones, you'd be surprised how many of them are from post-USSR countries, including Russia (and Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan etc.).

As for chips they are behind (for reasons beyond the scope of my post), but the post mainly extended to software, in which, many of the supposed crown jewels of the West (aka US) have been replicated quite successfully in other parts of the world including Russia.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Cyber warfare is really reaching a new peak in Ukraine, and not just the more-traditional cyberattacks like this. The target is of note; the drones themselves are the thing that's setting this war apart from all of the primarily human powered wars of the past centuries. Drones have revolutionized reconnaissance, sabotage, and munitions interception. Relative to their material cost, they can be terrifically destructiv…

Some assumptions here. First off, we only have one side of the story to go on. Often this can be embroidered, particularly if there is propaganda value from doing so.

They could be using version control for their software with every developer having all of the software they have developed for their products git-cloned to their development machines. Assuming a modest development team working with version control (who doesn't), then you do have to wonder if they have lost the crown jewels. I suspect not.

It is going to be a similar situation with everything else such as CAD files. People will have local copies because it is quicker to work that way.

As for the company emails and general office files, sure they might have lost lots of that, but that isn't going to be the end of the world.

The website is also part of the company and you would expect the elite hackers to have taken that down but no they have not, that works just fine.

Then there is the product itself. If you have been following the war closely then you will know what drones are in use at a given time. We might not get to know all of the drones as well as the heavy hitters, however, the name of this company is not something that the keenest watcher of the SMO will be familiar with. It is not as if they have shut down Geranium 2 production, is it?

As for yourself, and how you write, is that ChatGPT speaking?

The reason I ask is that we all know about things such as version control so I wonder if there is common sense or ChatGPT going on with your comment.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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The linked page is in English, but speaking of the option - residents of Russian Federation probably were not a target audience of Russian version of this website anyway. Contrary to some popular beliefs in Russia about language wars, many people still do speak Russian in Ukraine and media do publish articles in Russian.

>residents of Russian Federation probably were not a target audience of Russian version of this website anyway Deliberately blocking the supposed enemy from hearing you does strike me as irrational, though. The mere fact they're doing Russian censors' job should probably make them recheck if they got anything wrong in their decision process, just in case.

I agree with you, it’s irrational. It’s also something to be expected, because this war was irrational from the very beginning with both sides often driven by emotional triggers rather than cold-minded calculations or facts.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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I run a small home lab, about 30 services One day I decided to change my main disk and used the opportunity to rebuild everything from scratch and from backups. I was up in about an hour. And then I spent a week fixing this and that, ah yes I changed that too and, crap, I cannot remember why this thingie is set up this way. And some more. This is a one-man lab, with simple services, all on docker. I also work in IT.…

> Recovering from scratch a whole infrastructure managed by many people over the years is a titanic task. Half of the work is to know what you need, the other half is to know how you do it, while the third half is to cope with all the undocumented tinkering which happened along the way. So in that regard, starting from scratch can be acceptable, as long you are not starting from zero, and can build up on the knowledg…

wait, what games are in that genre?
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