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Five companies now control over 90% of the restaurant food delivery market

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Re: Five companies now control over 90% of the restaurant food delivery market

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I’m very aware of those unfortunately I was a devotee of Mr Rogers growing up and I’ve seen really successful people start from nothing and help others 40 years of hope in humanity is hard to kill but it finally died so that’s that It took proving it mathematically to get me there

I don't know, there are plenty of (long running) examples to be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worker_cooperatives

A list of about a hundred, compared to the scores of millions of capitalist businesses? That's a rounding error.

Re: Five companies now control over 90% of the restaurant food delivery market

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> Anti-trust for an industry where there are at least five companies doing well in any given space? That's not called a monopoly, it's called competition You need to be completely out of touch with reality to read an article on 5 companies dominating a global market and your take from that info is that there are no anticompetitive practices because 5 is more than 1.

If five companies competing is anti-competitive, then how many competitors does it take to suddenly become competitive and why? What is the significance of this larger-than-five number? Is it the same across industries? How do you derive it? This seems to rest on the mistaken belief that a corollary of monopolies being bad is that more competition is always better than less competition. If everyone was a competitor i…

The HHI [0] attempts to quantify that. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herfindahl–Hirschman_index

Re: Five companies now control over 90% of the restaurant food delivery market

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There's a George Carlin bit about politicians. The punchline is "the problem isn't the politicians, it's the people." His point is that nothing emerges from a vaccuum. Politicians are people just like everyone else, they're just responding to incentives created by a majority vote. Tech companies are just like any other company, except a lot more people are willing to pay for their goods and services. If Carlin were a…

Inequality is built into our society’s structure - capitalism divides people into two classes - workers and owners. The level of wealth inequality in the current world is quite extreme. Even if you accept some degree of it because “it’s always going to be messy and chaotic” - the current level is truly poisonous for a healthy society. And it’s the result of neoliberal policy across the world since 1980 - the deregula…

Is it really worse now than hundreds or thousands of years ago when there were kings and pharaohs and other rulers that had literal peasants and slaves and such all working for them?

I don't know, but it fees like people are more equal now than back then at least to me. Or more people have a much higher standard of living at least.

Re: Five companies now control over 90% of the restaurant food delivery market

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I think the truth is restaurant food delivery is a luxgury good, literally “private taxi for your burrito” yet many people spend like it isnt.

I make good IT money with few expenses and thus have a lot of disposable income but I feel that restaurants are really terrible value for money and thus rarely go to them. Add the extra cost of getting restaurant food delivered right to your house and it just becomes a stupid waste of money.

Re: Five companies now control over 90% of the restaurant food delivery market

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And why is a large monopoly a net negative? I read his book and he says that monopolies are 10x better products, and if monopolies are 10x better then why are they bad? Are you arguing that it would be better to keep using 10x worse products, for the sake of there not being any monopolies?

he didn't produce any proof of that statement and I figure neither can you. so let's assume this as false, shall we? we see lot's of examples of how monopolies (or similar) tend to do rent extraction. that's why we're talking about enshittification so much. it's because they only care about profit (and on a small time frame as well), not the product, not the customers, nor the planet.

How do you become a monopoly without a superior product?

Re: Five companies now control over 90% of the restaurant food delivery market

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Inequality is built into our society’s structure - capitalism divides people into two classes - workers and owners. The level of wealth inequality in the current world is quite extreme. Even if you accept some degree of it because “it’s always going to be messy and chaotic” - the current level is truly poisonous for a healthy society. And it’s the result of neoliberal policy across the world since 1980 - the deregula…

Is it really worse now than hundreds or thousands of years ago when there were kings and pharaohs and other rulers that had literal peasants and slaves and such all working for them? I don't know, but it fees like people are more equal now than back then at least to me. Or more people have a much higher standard of living at least.

Realistically climate catastrophe seems worse to me yes than living as a peasant or ancient Egyptian. Our choices aren’t so limited however. But if you mean we should look at our standard of living today and appreciate them, let’s examine that with some nuance.

Since 1980 pay and productivity have been decoupled in the global north such that the wealthy have continued to grow richer while the median worker hasn’t seen their real wages rise, despite being more productive. In fact much of our rise in standard of living prior to 1980 is not due to the allowing concentrated wealth to run rampant but people fighting the wealthy for things like worker rights, democratic rights, social programs.

If we look at the global south on the other hand since 1980 we see a great rise out of poverty. This has happened primarily due to China’s socialist policies which have pulled 800 million people out of poverty.

Allowing a small wealthy minority to run one’s country is undemocratic as they are able to use their outsized money and power to control the government and further grow their own wealth. It’s precisely why we face problems like authoritarianism, climate change, and austerity - toxic transitions all funded by monied interests.

Does the world really seem like it’s continuing to progress to you? Is our choice really so limited as either ‘hand over the reigns of society to billionaires’ or ‘revert to medieval peasantry’? Consider the improvements in the quality of life we’ve seen in the past century. People came together and fought for those improvements. They didn’t trust and depend on their monied masters to drop crumbs their way. That never happens. They fought for better lives and achieved them.

Re: Five companies now control over 90% of the restaurant food delivery market

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Do they control your car, legs, and bike?

Shockers, cartel to monopoly power exists in virtually all markets.

Even things like farming whose geographic distribution and commidification maybe monopoly resistant are monopolized in processing, seed, tools,etc by companies like ADM.

Re: Five companies now control over 90% of the restaurant food delivery market

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Is it really worse now than hundreds or thousands of years ago when there were kings and pharaohs and other rulers that had literal peasants and slaves and such all working for them? I don't know, but it fees like people are more equal now than back then at least to me. Or more people have a much higher standard of living at least.

Realistically climate catastrophe seems worse to me yes than living as a peasant or ancient Egyptian. Our choices aren’t so limited however. But if you mean we should look at our standard of living today and appreciate them, let’s examine that with some nuance. Since 1980 pay and productivity have been decoupled in the global north such that the wealthy have continued to grow richer while the median worker hasn’t see…

To me it only seems like we are in a quite small scale decline in the otherwise long term upward trajectory of standard of living for the average human being. The overall upward trajectory that I think is mainly driven by technology, abundance, and prosperity.

Re: Five companies now control over 90% of the restaurant food delivery market

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There's a George Carlin bit about politicians. The punchline is "the problem isn't the politicians, it's the people." His point is that nothing emerges from a vaccuum. Politicians are people just like everyone else, they're just responding to incentives created by a majority vote. Tech companies are just like any other company, except a lot more people are willing to pay for their goods and services. If Carlin were a…

> There's an air of let's go back to the good old days when we were hunter gatherers to the whole thing. I strongly disagree. On the contrary, I see the arch of many technological advancements in that, in the beginning, they solve a crucial need, but then once they solve that problem they attempt to hijack the positive feedback systems of humans (e.g. addiction systems) to stay in power. Consider the food industry. M…

End state of market economics leads to cartel and monopoly.

In tech this is done by controlling people's information and collecting their personal data

Combine the centralization with control and privacy intrusion with authoritarianism in government and you have a worse than 1984 future

It's all RIGHT THERE. Turnkey. Ready to go. And all the cultural institutions in government, the popular those of the ultra rich, the populist desperation of the poor, disappearance of the middle class, is leading to authoritarianism.

Re: Five companies now control over 90% of the restaurant food delivery market

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Realistically climate catastrophe seems worse to me yes than living as a peasant or ancient Egyptian. Our choices aren’t so limited however. But if you mean we should look at our standard of living today and appreciate them, let’s examine that with some nuance. Since 1980 pay and productivity have been decoupled in the global north such that the wealthy have continued to grow richer while the median worker hasn’t see…

To me it only seems like we are in a quite small scale decline in the otherwise long term upward trajectory of standard of living for the average human being. The overall upward trajectory that I think is mainly driven by technology, abundance, and prosperity.

I’m puzzled by your view but also curious. What’s short term about the climate crisis? And with intensifying authoritarianism what do you think is going to reverse our current trajectory? And what do you think determines whether standard of living rises or not? In our circumstances, which to me seem quite dire, I’m curious what motor you think powers human progress.
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