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Framework Laptop 12 review

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Post by Lammy »

const_cast wrote: post #255
michaelt wrote: post #212

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> I already do “light gaming” [...] Team Fortress 2 The system requirements for TF2 are 1GB RAM, a single-core 1.7GHz CPU and a graphics card with 64 MB of VRAM [1] - the game is 18 years old. If a review told me a laptop exceeded those specs, it wouldn't tell me much :) [1] https://www.5kgamer.com/game/team-fortress-2

TF2 won't actually run on a system like that, the system requirements on Steam are a bit of a meme. It's 18 years old but it's also been updated for 18 years.

Yep, last year's 64-bit update is a great example of something that unquestionably breaks the old system requirements: https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/April_18,_2024_Patch

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Post by tobi_bsf »

criddell wrote: post #14

Is it unreasonable to think Framework should be able to make a laptop competitive with the 5 years old MacBook Air M1? I get that Framework focuses on making repairable machines, but does that prevent them from making a fanless, hi dpi, good performing, long battery life machine? I wouldn’t expect parity with an M4 machine, but it doesn’t seem unreasonable to think they should be competitive with the much older M1. I…

Good point. They don’t really seem to care about actual user needs — their products feel more like they’re built around what’s easy to implement. I would’ve loved to see a Snapdragon motherboard focused on battery life and quiet operation too.

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Post by nrp »

BeeOnRope wrote: post #271
nrp wrote: post #141

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Note that they are CSO-DIMMs, and may not be compatible with all products. In our limited testing, they do work on Framework Laptop 12.

No there are vanilla 64GB shipping now too, e.g. Crucial CT2K64G56C46S5.

I stand corrected! Those should work.

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Post by lofaszvanitt »

Looks fucking ugly. Even the logo is terrible. And the colours make you feel nauseous. Instead of nuthugging the compute power of these things, why not make something that looks and feels lovable. Is that so much to ask? Like the pixel phones, which are the ugliest, nastiest looking shitpile I've ever seen. And they slam it down the throats of people.

In nature, even supposedly ugly things look OK, but in the artificial industrial world, things look ugly and out of place. I don't know how they achieve this. But it must be something around, 'Oh, this part costs so much', or someone who has power over things he/she shouldn't have, so we instead create these horrendous-looking monster machines that suck our souls.

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Post by kybernetikos »

XorNot wrote: post #252

When are we getting a decent keyboard? I would buy a Framework but the keyboard is as junk as every other laptop keyboard out there right now. The whole "MacBook" trend of laptop keyboards has ruined the entire industry. I want the old style low travel keyboard we had which still had some travel, a dense layout and actual shape to the key caps.

I used to really like the keyboard on the old think pad t series, like the T60. But it seems that everyone is doing 'island' keys these days.

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Post by mmcnl »

f1shy wrote: post #211
mmcnl wrote: post #196

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In The Netherlands ANSI is the most common keyboard layout, so you might want to look there if you really want/need ANSI. Only Apple and Logitech are outliers and insist on ISO.

Doesn’t NL have a Keyboard like Germany, Span, Italy or France? So you all use Ansi? That is my place in the world!!! Thanks. I will search in that direction.

Yes we all use ANSI. Only difference with US keyboards are Alt Gr key instead of right Alt, and a € sign on the "5" key. I think both are not really dealbreakers.

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Post by mmcnl »

0xTJ wrote: post #210
mmcnl wrote: post #186

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I don't really understand the repairability appeal of the Framework. Hasn't that already been a selling point for the business line laptops of HP, Lenovo and Dell for years? They all offer premium business laptops with removable RAM, SSD and battery and very detailed maintenance guides. Part availability is good too.

While HP's service guides have been good, even on their non-business models, the actual serviceability isn't great. You have rubber feet that can't be re-applied after removal, and good luck getting replacement parts as an average consumer (I haven't even been able to get a first-party battery for my HP Envy x360). Not every laptop is going to a corporation with an IT department and direct procurement connections. RA…

The consumer laptops are not built for easy repairability. EliteBooks are very servicable, only 4 or 5 captive screws and you can easily access all the internals.

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Post by mmcnl »

kiwijamo wrote: post #317
mmcnl wrote: post #186

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I don't really understand the repairability appeal of the Framework. Hasn't that already been a selling point for the business line laptops of HP, Lenovo and Dell for years? They all offer premium business laptops with removable RAM, SSD and battery and very detailed maintenance guides. Part availability is good too.

Even that is slowly dying out. Lenovo sells many expensive business grade laptops with soldered on RAM for example.

They have laptops with soldered RAM but also a lot without. The classic 14" ThinkPad (now called T14) has non-soldered RAM. The EliteBook 8 G1 14" also non-soldered RAM if you get the non-Lunar Lake edition. Same for the Dell counterpart.

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Post by mmcnl »

chickensong wrote: post #213
mmcnl wrote: post #186

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I don't really understand the repairability appeal of the Framework. Hasn't that already been a selling point for the business line laptops of HP, Lenovo and Dell for years? They all offer premium business laptops with removable RAM, SSD and battery and very detailed maintenance guides. Part availability is good too.

My previous laptop was HP, and servicing it was fairly unpleasant. It required removing around 30 screws of multiple sizes to get access, where the Framework requires 5 screws, which are captive. By the third time I needed to service the HP, the part I needed was no longer available directly from HP, and the 3rd party price was too expensive to sink into an aging laptop. Some of the business lines are better, but the…

The HP EliteBook series are very easy to repair. Only 4 captive screws and you can access all the internals. Has been like that for years.
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