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Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Interesting read, but even if we assume the author is correct, and the cosmos formed as a black hole in a larger universe, the question remains, how did this larger universe formed, then? Might just be impossible to know.

Maybe the larger universe is identical to the contained universe, like a fractal. That would solve the question. ;)

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Interesting read, but even if we assume the author is correct, and the cosmos formed as a black hole in a larger universe, the question remains, how did this larger universe formed, then? Might just be impossible to know.

I feel like quantum physics is gently pointing us towards the idea "everything you can imagine is real at once". As in, all possible universes and physics systems and whatnot do exist in some sense of this word, and we happen to inhabit one. Just like Earth is a totally unremarkable planet in a totally unremarkable solar system in a totally unremarkable galaxy, except we popped up here so for a long time we thought t…

Quantum mechanics doesn't imply at all that everything possible is actual. That is a misconception.

I do agree that it makes sense, but not because of what quantum mechanics says.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Oh I have so many questions on this topic. I've often wondered about this. I don't have any direct physics training, but it's something that felt really plausible after I learned that the mass of a black hole is linearly proportional to its swarzschild radius. As the size of the black hole goes up, its overall density must decrease. Combined with the other observation that our universe has uniform density at large sc…

>follow-up thought I'm hoping somebody else has also thought about [...] dark energy as _negative energy_ [...] Maybe like a black hole evaporating Another layman's thoughts: Isn't the energy theoretically lost by black holes so faint it's currently undetectable? And isn't the amount of dark energy theorized to be the major component of the observable universe? It seems like the numbers wouldn't add up?

I don't have enough of the background to speculate about the numbers. Dark energy feels "big" if we think of it in terms of the actual energy it would take to accelerate the universe away from itself at the rate that we see.. but the rate that we see is affected by our frame of reference, along with distances and everything else.

I'm gonna pull out my lay understanding again. An evaporating black hole, as it gets smaller, should get more dense and be associated with a higher local spacetime curvature, no? The effect of which would be to slow down apparent time for observers within the system. Maybe that affects observed distance and rates of speed at which things seem to be happening when we look out into the sky?

Sometimes I regret not caring enough about calculus in university.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Interesting read, but even if we assume the author is correct, and the cosmos formed as a black hole in a larger universe, the question remains, how did this larger universe formed, then? Might just be impossible to know.

That's a very 3D way to think of a universe.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Oh I have so many questions on this topic. I've often wondered about this. I don't have any direct physics training, but it's something that felt really plausible after I learned that the mass of a black hole is linearly proportional to its swarzschild radius. As the size of the black hole goes up, its overall density must decrease. Combined with the other observation that our universe has uniform density at large sc…

> As the size of the black hole goes up, its overall density must decrease. The center of a black hole is infinitely dense. That's why it even exists. The event horizon is not the black hole. > and the fixed density of our observed universe Our universe is expanding. It's density is not fixed. You really want to be thinking about this in terms of entropy and not matter.

It's a mathematical model, not reality. I don't believe scientists believe an actual infinitely dense object exists at the center of black holes.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Oh I have so many questions on this topic. I've often wondered about this. I don't have any direct physics training, but it's something that felt really plausible after I learned that the mass of a black hole is linearly proportional to its swarzschild radius. As the size of the black hole goes up, its overall density must decrease. Combined with the other observation that our universe has uniform density at large sc…

Plug estimated mass of universe to your schwarzschild formula and be amazed how close it is to observable size of the universe.

I tried once, but I'm not sure what terms to throw in there. Visible matter, estimated dark matter.. anything else?

I think my estimate came out to less dense than the required threshold but it was a while back now and cobbled together with some queries to wolfram.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Interesting read, but even if we assume the author is correct, and the cosmos formed as a black hole in a larger universe, the question remains, how did this larger universe formed, then? Might just be impossible to know.

But who would be as cruel to put us here without giving us those answers? Who? And where did that entity come from?

Oh that was me - I figured if I let you guys work it out for yourselves, it’d be more meaningful or whatever.

As for where I came from, I gotta admit I feel curious about that too, but mostly I’m just happy to be here. Real excited to see what you do next.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which God? Vishnu? Ra? Amatarasu?

Assume God exists. Various isolated cultures are going to come up with different names for God. This like saying which Sun? Surya, Ra or Helios? All are different names of sun. But there is only one sun.

But that sun has never been a pharoah of Egypt.

If the only common factor is a belief that 'something' created 'something', you're really not saying anything worth evaluating.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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I'm curious on what is "at stake" with this? The close lists a couple of predictions that this can lead to. I'm assuming they will be important in a far future time? Or do these help with some more near term problems?

Edit: I hasten to add that I'm not asking to undermine the research. Seems the more the merrier, there. Genuinely curious on what some of this could lead to.

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