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Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

adventured wrote: post #211
epolanski wrote: post #197

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Jm2c but I feel conflicted about this arms race. You can be 6/12 months later, and have not burned tens of billions compared to the best in class, I see it an engineering win. I absolutely understand those that say "yeah, but customers will only use the best", I see it, but is market share of forever money losing businesses that valuable?

A similar sentiment existed for a long time about Uber and now they're very profitable and own their market. It was worth the burn to capture the market. Who says OpenAI can't roll over to profitable at a stable scale? Conquer the market, hike the price to $29.95 (family account, no ads; $19.95 individual account with ads; etc etc). To say nothing of how they can branch out in terms of being the interaction point tha…

> now they're very profitable and own their market.

No they don't. They failed in every market except a few niche ones.

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

whiplash451 wrote: post #244
aDyslecticCrow wrote: post #231

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> It was worth the burn to capture the market. You cannot compare Uber to the AI market. They are too different. Uber captured the market because having three taxi services is annoying. But people are readily jumping between models using multi-model platforms. And nobody is significantly ahead of the pack. There is nothing that sets anyone apart aside from the rate at which they are burning capital. Any advantage is…

Three cab apps are a lot less annoying than three LLM apps each having their piece of your chats history. The winner-take-all effect is a lot stronger with chat apps.

Professional tip - you can save your prompts somewhere else, you don't need "the cloud" for storing them. It's just text.

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

diggan wrote: post #166
atxtechbro wrote: post #147

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Hi Simon, What's the huge difference between the two pelicans riding bicycles? Was one running locally the small version vs the pretty good one running the bigger one thru the API? Thanks, Morgan

Ollama doesn't like proper naming for some reason, so `ollama pull magistral:latest` lands you with the q4_K_M version (currently, subject to change). Mistral's API defaults to `magistral-medium-2506` right now, which is running with full precision, no quantization.

Nobody should be ever using ollama, for any reason.

It literally only makes everything worse and more convoluted with zero benefits.

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

FabHK wrote: post #314
bobxmax wrote: post #278

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Any time European economic failings are brought up it's always the same thing. "Well at least no school shootings!" Great, Singapore has less school shootings and homeless people than anywhere in Europe by a country mile and has a soaring economy.

Eh, Singapore's efforts to nurture a thriving startup scene are met with middling success at most.

Are you implying that Singapore is not ultra regulated?

They make Europe look like Texas.

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Post by olalonde »

yorwba wrote: post #165
csomar wrote: post #100

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> As a counterexample, China's tech industry has caught up and in some ways surpassed the US, partially due to being closed off. How did you come up to that conclusion? We don't have access to an alternate universe where the Chinese tech market was open. There is a real possibility that it would have been far ahead had it been open.

We do have access to records from the before times when the internet was wide open and Facebook, Google and Microsoft were big in China. Well, Microsoft is still big because they're not an internet company and unfazed by censorship, but the exit of Google and Facebook took a lot of pressure off Baidu and the entire Chinese social media ecosystem.

Facebook and Google were never big in China, not even close.

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Post by cluckindan »

robmccoll wrote: post #267
cluckindan wrote: post #242

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It does not do any thinking. It is a statistical model, just like the rest of them.

What are we doing when we think?

Human neurons are not reducible to arithmetic artificial neurons in a statistical model. Do not conflate them.

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Post by baq »

mwigdahl wrote: post #295
humpty-d wrote: post #140

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I know we distrust them on account of being nefarious Chinese, but has anything come to light with R1 or the people behind it specifically to justify this?

"Deepseek only cost $6 million"?

“* we only tallied the electricity and rent”

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Post by iamnotagenius »

sebmellen wrote: post #105
rafram wrote: post #30

Is the number of em-dashes in this marketing copy indicative of the kind of output that the model produces? If so, might want to tone it down a bit.

> Our early tests indicated that Magistral is an excellent creative companion. We highly recommend it for creative writing and storytelling, with the model capable of producing coherent or — if needed — delightfully eccentric copy.

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