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Re: The librarian immediately attempts to sell you a vuvuzela

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Post by antihipocrat »

MacsHeadroom wrote: post #311
yencabulator wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> AI is a transformative use. Reproducing a movie still well enough that I honestly wouldn't know which one is the original is transformative?

The still is not transformative but the model reproducing it is obviously transformative. Other general purpose tools can be used to infringe and yet are non-infringing as well.

If I watch a movie, then draw a near perfect likeness of the main character from my very good memory, put it on a tshirt and sell the t-shirt. That is grounds for violation of copyright if the source isn't yet in the public domain (not guaranteed but open to a lawsuit).

If I download all content from a website that has a use policy stating that all content is owned by that website and can't be resold. Then allow my users to query this downloaded data and receive a detailed summary of all related content, and sell that product. Perhaps this is a violation of the use policy.

All of this hasn't been properly tested in the courts yet.. large payments have already been made to Reddit to avoid this, likely because Reddit has the means to fight this in court.. my little blog though, fair game because I can't afford to engage.

Re: The librarian immediately attempts to sell you a vuvuzela

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Post by yencabulator »

antihipocrat wrote: post #321
MacsHeadroom wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The still is not transformative but the model reproducing it is obviously transformative. Other general purpose tools can be used to infringe and yet are non-infringing as well.

If I watch a movie, then draw a near perfect likeness of the main character from my very good memory, put it on a tshirt and sell the t-shirt. That is grounds for violation of copyright if the source isn't yet in the public domain (not guaranteed but open to a lawsuit). If I download all content from a website that has a use policy stating that all content is owned by that website and can't be resold. Then allow my u…

For sure, it's rich people playing rules for thee not for me. What's interesting is we'll discover on which side of the can-afford-to-enforce-its-copyright boundary the likes of NYTimes fall.

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Post by galaxyLogic »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #133
galaxyLogic wrote: post #44

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I've been using Preplexity lately while learning to use Yamaha SeqTrack synthesizer. I have the UserGuide, but I find it easier and faster to ask Preplexity for things like "How do I mute a track?". It never occurred to me I could use Google this way. And it is a novel idea to me, that it seems to be better to use AI than read a manual.

If Google's LLM is trained on the SeqTrack manual, then yes. If it's not then it will just invent some plausible-souding bullshit that doesn't actually work. After the fifth time you get burnt by this the whole LLM experience starts to sour.

Yes. I wonder what's LLM providers' approach to ensuring high-quality of training materials?

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Post by WiggleGuy »

ccvannorman wrote: post #224
WiggleGuy wrote: post #31

I built a portal that makes it easier to query against multiple different search engines ( https://allsear.ch/ ). It's open source, free, all that. I must say, building it really expanded my view of the internet. I am also a heavy Kagi and Reddit user for search, and usually that's enough. But when it's not, its concerning how much better other search engines can be, especially since non-tech savvy folks will never u…

using my default browser (brave) and pressing "enter" (doing a search) did not do anything. The page just sits there. apparently, I need to make a selection of a search engine to use this. I would not use this as a replacement for my duckduckgo or google searches simply because of the UX of not being able to type a query and press "enter" as the default.

That's fair.

You can probably hack that experience by making use of the "rules" feature. You can have certain search engines or macros launch automatically upon pressing enter based on the content of the query. You if you set a rule to check if your search contains a vowel (which most will), it's effectively a catch all rule.

Hacky, but it will work.

Re: The librarian immediately attempts to sell you a vuvuzela

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Post by JimDabell »

autoexec wrote: post #239
karel-3d wrote: post #78

The money situation is what gives me pause with LLMs. The amount of money it's burned on this is giant; those companies will need to make so much money to have any possibility of return. The idea is that we will all spend more money on AI that we spend on phones, and we will spend it on those companies only... I don't know, it just doesn't add up. As a user it's a great free ride though. Maybe there IS such a thing a…

> As a user it's a great free ride though. Maybe there IS such a thing as a free lunch after all! if you consider the massive environmental harm AI has and continues to cause, the people whose work has been stolen to create it, the impacts on workers and salaries, and the abuses AI enables that free lunch starts looking more expensive.

> Using ChatGPT is not bad for the environment

— https://andymasley.substack.com/p/individual-ai-use-is-not-b...

> What’s the carbon footprint of using ChatGPT?

— https://www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/carbon-footprint-c...

Re: The librarian immediately attempts to sell you a vuvuzela

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Post by 9dev »

fragmede wrote: post #272
9dev wrote: post #117

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Google has this pesky problem of carrying almost all their eggs in one basket: The moment their ad business doesn’t work anymore, the behemoth that Google is will come down to its knees. But due to the way the company is structured, they need search to drive users to the ads, and it’s all one big mess of entangled revenue streams that can’t be touched for fear of breaking something. Now if AI turns out to be the next…

This was true, and is why Google didn't come out with ChatGPT themselves 5 years earlier. But since OpenAI's come to take their lunch, they understand this predicament and are pivoting.

Until that pivot isn't even close to complete, this continues to be true. Take ads away now, and Google ceases to exist tomorrow. It's going to take a long time until that fundamentally changes.

Re: The librarian immediately attempts to sell you a vuvuzela

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Post by JimDabell »

john-h-k wrote: post #320
snickell wrote: post #310

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What scares me is that the obvious pool of money to fund the deficit in the cost of operating of LLMs comes from the most subtle native advertising imaginable. Can you resist ads where, say, AirBnB pays OpenAI privately to “dope” the o3 hyperspace such that AirBnB is moved imperceptibly closer to tokens like value and authentic?? How much would AirBnB pay for the intelligence everyone gets all their info from having…

> Can you resist ads where, say, AirBnB pays OpenAI privately to “dope” the o3 hyperspace such that AirBnB is moved imperceptibly closer to tokens like value and authentic?? This would be a very impressive technical feat

Anthropic demoed something similar with Golden Gate Claude a year ago:

https://www.anthropic.com/news/golden-gate-claude

Re: The librarian immediately attempts to sell you a vuvuzela

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Post by JimDabell »

yencabulator wrote: post #302
astrange wrote: post #283

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> at this point even Disney is accusing AI of violating their copyrights "even" is odd there, of course Disney is accusing them of violating copyright, that's what Disney does. > AI is getting better at data laundering and hiding evidence of infringement, but ultimately it's collecting and regurgitating copyrighted content. That's not the standard for copyright infringement; AI is a transformative use. Similarly, if…

> AI is a transformative use. Reproducing a movie still well enough that I honestly wouldn't know which one is the original is transformative?

That’s not “data laundering and hiding evidence of infringement” though.

You’re talking about overt infringement, the GP was talking about covert infringement. It’s difficult to see how something could be covert yet not transformative.

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Post by Ferret7446 »

crazygringo wrote: post #244
karel-3d wrote: post #78

The money situation is what gives me pause with LLMs. The amount of money it's burned on this is giant; those companies will need to make so much money to have any possibility of return. The idea is that we will all spend more money on AI that we spend on phones, and we will spend it on those companies only... I don't know, it just doesn't add up. As a user it's a great free ride though. Maybe there IS such a thing a…

> The amount of money it's burned on this is giant It's big, but it's honestly not that big. Most importantly, costs will quickly come down as we realize the limits of the models, the algorithms are optimized and even more-dedicated hardware is built. There's no reason to think it isn't sustainable, it will add up just fine. But yes, it will attract a ton of advertising, the same curve every service goes through, lik…

Actually, I feel like most of the money will come from enterprises. Every company will need an LLM subscription to stay competitive. I think it's possible that consumers will get a free ride with a small amount of quota without ads.

Re: The librarian immediately attempts to sell you a vuvuzela

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Post by Ferret7446 »

tartoran wrote: post #197
jraph wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe there IS such a thing as a free lunch after all! A free lunch that costs our environment though, which is a big caveat :-)

The free lunch creates a lot of dependency on AI so when the lunch isn't free anymore it will bite hard.

Same as all technology. You missed the deadline to file that complaint by more than a couple hundred thousand years.
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