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My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

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Post by daemin »

mattbrewsbytes wrote: post #201

> This was the craftsman’s ‘Golden Age’ and much time and trouble was taken over the design of tools. Craftsmen were being called upon to do more skilful and exacting work and the use of tools and the interest in development had become very widespread. Above pulled from A Brief History of the Woodworking Plane [0]. A woodworking tool that has evolved over 2,000 years. Now there are electric planers, handheld electric…

The difference is that programming is creating the design for the furniture and the process to assemble it using machines. Compilation and deployment is the factory in this case. So you're trying to automate away the design aspect where we already have the other aspects automated.

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Post by paulcole »

grey-area wrote: post #169

I’d love to see the authors of effusive praise of generative AI like this provide the proof of the unlimited powers of their tools in code. If GAI (or agents, or whatever comes next …) is so effective it should be quite simple to prove that by creating an AI only company and in short order producing huge amounts of serviceable code to do useful things. So far I’ve seen no sign of this, and the best use case seems to…

> The time has come for llm users to put up or shut up - if it’s so great, stop telling us and show and use the code it generated on its own.

Why would we do this? Wouldn’t it be better to do this silently and reap the benefits?

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Post by skeptrune »

> I think this is going to get clearer over the next year. The cool kid haughtiness about “stochastic parrots” and “vibe coding” can’t survive much more contact with reality. I’m snarking about these people, but I meant what I said: they’re smarter than me. And when they get over this affectation, they’re going to make coding agents profoundly more effective than they are today.

Yes, yes, and yes. SOOOO much yes. We are going to be in for a wild ride once everyone gets on board with the reality of coding agents.

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Post by thombles »

Hmm a bit of a tone shift from: https://fly.io/docs/about/open-source/

> Fly.io builds on the work of a tremendous open source infrastructure community. We want open source authors to benefit from their work because we think a healthy, thriving open source ecosystem will help us build better products.

To the fine article:

> Meanwhile, software developers spot code fragments seemingly lifted from public repositories on Github and lose their shit. What about the licensing? If you’re a lawyer, I defer. But if you’re a software developer playing this card? Cut me a little slack as I ask you to shove this concern up your ass.

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Post by rukuu001 »

grey-area wrote: post #169

I’d love to see the authors of effusive praise of generative AI like this provide the proof of the unlimited powers of their tools in code. If GAI (or agents, or whatever comes next …) is so effective it should be quite simple to prove that by creating an AI only company and in short order producing huge amounts of serviceable code to do useful things. So far I’ve seen no sign of this, and the best use case seems to…

Re put up or shut up - this is a decent example from the front page today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44159166

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grey-area wrote: post #169

I’d love to see the authors of effusive praise of generative AI like this provide the proof of the unlimited powers of their tools in code. If GAI (or agents, or whatever comes next …) is so effective it should be quite simple to prove that by creating an AI only company and in short order producing huge amounts of serviceable code to do useful things. So far I’ve seen no sign of this, and the best use case seems to…

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Post by aaron_m04 »

cesarb wrote: post #312

This article does not touch on the thing which worries me the most with respect to LLMs: the dependence . Unless you can run the LLM locally, on a computer you own, you are now completely dependent on a remote centralized system to do your work. Whoever controls that system can arbitrarily raise the prices, subtly manipulate the outputs, store and do anything they want with the inputs, or even suddenly cease to opera…

Yes, and it's even worse: if you think LLMs may possibly make the world a worse place, you should not use any LLMs you aren't self-hosting, because your usage information is being used by the creators to make LLMs better.
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