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Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by throwaway422432 »

toyg wrote: post #265
twoodfin wrote: post #200

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My main (mild) criticism of the now-complete Andor->Rogue One arc is that it only put its toe into the waters of the Death Star. Giving that concept a thematic heft well beyond its Flash-Gordon-supervillain origins appeared “fully armed and operational” in the story, but in the end it barely rises to subtext.

But there is no conflict, no interest, in exploring a building site. What are you going to talk about, contractors installing pipes? How they get the best canteen food? It's actually better for the Death Star to be unseen, so that its full horror can only be imagined - and hence, becoming greater - in our minds.

We already have the building site scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5lDKjA_7I0

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

twodave wrote: post #99
captainbland wrote: post #44

The main thing that impressed me about Andor is how they managed to make the Stormtroopers seem like a genuinely intimidating force rather than just a rabble of goons in costumes. It goes to show how much they elevated the believability of Star Wars in Andor.

I agree. Especially in the originals, everything just sort of “works out” for the protagonist(s). The bad guys don’t aim well, fly well or really do anything great. And that’s fine because that is era of cinema Star Wars came from. In Andor the empire is smart, calculated, deadly and just plain scary—nearly to a visceral degree, if you allow yourself to be absorbed into the story. And despite how good Andor (and Rogu…

> Especially in the originals, everything just sort of “works out” for the protagonist(s). The bad guys don’t aim well, fly well or really do anything great.

In a New Hope as Luke and Ben are inspecting the damage to the Jawa transport, Ben does say "Only Imperial stormtroopers are so precise." Then the stormtroopers go on the rest of the series missing everything they aim at.

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Post by Auracle »

apples_oranges wrote: post #31
meowface wrote: post #15

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I watched it for the first time immediately after finishing Andor. Definitely better than the other Star Wars films but definitely not as good as Andor. (I'm aware the showrunner of Andor co-wrote Rogue One, but Andor really seems like a different tier.)

You guys are excluding the George Lucas movies from discussion right? In my opinion nothing ever came even close and I gave up on SW after the second Kylo Ren movie. Rouge one was cool though, also first episodes of Mandalorian.. Should I really try Andor after all the bad stuff Disney made? A few days ago I watched the new LILO and Stitch and that was great, so maybe good people still work at Disney …

I would honestly rate Andor up there with A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back. It’s the top tier, for sure.

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Post by hei-lima »

nicoburns wrote: post #5

If you haven't watched Andor and you are at all open to sci-fi then I would urge you to consider giving a go. The writing, acting, and cinematography are all excellent, and IMO it is a very strong contender for the best TV show released in the last few years.

Strongly agree!

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

mystifyingpoi wrote: post #225
poisonborz wrote: post #67

Andor is a huge middle finger for everything that came after the original trilogy. It manages to be menacing and showing a convincing rebellion against realistic fascism - relying heavily on the tones of the old films - without any of the dumb Jedi magic, light sabers andd mystic blabble.

What's wrong with light sabers? It's just a weapon with some useful properties (like bouncing back blaster shots). Finn used it fine for a sec, so it's proven that the user doesn't need to be trained at all in anything really. The Force though... yeah, as much as I'm a big fan of SW, the whole concept leans way too hard into soft magic territory, at least to my taste.

> Finn used it fine for a sec, so it's proven that the user doesn't need to be trained at all in anything really.

Even in ESB, Han Solo uses it to cut open the ton ton

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

belval wrote: post #77
Joeboy wrote: post #61

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Andor is a very good TV show, but it's obviously getting extra appreciation because it's part of a beloved but increasingly exhausted franchise.

It's the opposite for me. I could not be more burnt out on StarWars, when they introduced the force in season 2 I rolled my eyes and it somewhat took me out of it. The main downside of watching Andor is that you have your brain nagging you about eposide 7 making everything that you are watching pointless (the new republic is obliterated after 20-30 years). I have friends that I can't convince to watch it because they…

7-9 should basically be taken out of canon. They aren't truly original stories or extension of the existing one - they are just a retelling of 4-6 for a modern audience

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by [deleted] »

meowface wrote: post #56
JKCalhoun wrote: post #52

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"The Force" never sat well with me. It was the one weird supernatural thing in the Star Wars universe that pushed the whole franchise into "magic" territory. The less Force, the better in my opinion. Save super-powers for comic-book movies.

A bit of it is interesting. When they're just flinging objects/debris/rocks at each other for 10 minutes it's pretty silly, but the force-choking scenes are some of the most iconic Star Wars moments. Adds something to the world.

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Post by jimbokun »

cluckindan wrote: post #192
ozim wrote: post #173

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When someone is fixing it in postprod most of complexity of the initial shot is gone never to be seen again. It is not like they fix some colors on the scene and then last scene of the movie suddenly changes to something different :D

Have you seen the amount of changes George Lucas did when editing the prequel trilogy of Star Wars? They were digitally composing individual actor performances within a shot.

Yes and it really detracted from the quality of those films.

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Post by m3kw9 »

manmal wrote: post #202
meowface wrote: post #3

The cinematography, editing, writing, and overall feel of this show far exceed any Star Wars movie I've seen. I had long since written off the Star Wars franchise as a shameless cash grab since the original movies but they proved they could do something cool with it. I'd definitely watch a new movie if it were handled by the same team that made Andor. Prequel, sequel, side story, or re-telling of the originals.

The prison episode is a masterpiece and would have been an amazing movie on its own. It‘s weird how zany the other SW shows and even movies look now in comparison. I‘m really sad there can’t be another season.

I find the credit heist escape was epic

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by jimbokun »

lucideer wrote: post #150
ghaff wrote: post #101

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It ties in but isn't really part of the main storyline except incidentally. You could say the same thing about Rogue One though the tie-in is even stronger in that case. The Mandalorian is pretty separate other than baby yoda.

It's not part of the main storyline of Luke's journey as an individual & the Jedi order but it is a very big part of one of the main storylines of a ragtag bunch of rebels sticking it to the empire. A storyline which I'd argue was strongest in A New Hope & the initial trilogy & was weakened by the increased focus on individual storylines in the anakin & rey trilogies.

Andor and Rogue One are better prequels than the prequel trilogy in that they better match the tone of the original Star Wars and do a better job filling in the parts of the back story viewers care about.

How did the Rebellion start? How was it organized? What led to building the Death Star? How did they get the plans to give to Leia to give to Luke?

The only part of the prequel trilogy relevant to the story in A New Hope is the final battle between Anakin and Obi Wan.

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