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xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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We've seen multiple companies in the last twelve months blast past any past benchmark of fastest growing company ever. It's become pedestrian for some of these companies to scale to $10m ARR in a quarter which has never happened before. "Genuine user interest doesn't come close to justifying their insane valuations" - classic HN copium

You sound like a Madoff investor

I don't think you know what Madoff did.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Unfortunately it's also the most sleek and feature-rich messenger of them all :(

It sort of used to be, although not exactly as a messenger - it was never good for one-to-one private conversations, but as a social network with channels and groups. However, for the last couple years enshittification is in progress - it's not at Microsoft Teams levels yet, but they're really trying to get there, shoving more and more ads (third- and first-party both) into users' faces with increasing frequency.

What ads is Telegram showing? I can't think of any, except a peristent birthday reminder.

I also agree with the sibling comment that Telegram is sadly the best chat app I've used not only for group chats but also for 1-to-1 chats.

Edit: there are paid emojis or stickers too, now that I think about it.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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If this is something their users actually wanted, they'd be paying xAI, not the other way around.

I don't think users really want this for what it's worth, but that's a bad argument. The median (social media) internet user pays exactly zero for anything, so deriving expectations from money is a bit silly. The actual currency to watch is attention. If they don't like it, engagement will drop.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Telegram dont have E2EE by default. It's all you need to know. 99% of communications on Telegram are in plain text. Also Telegram banned or shadowbanned serveral protest channels / bots during elections and when war began.

WhatsApp isn't E2EE by default either, since default flow pushes you to backup your key to Google Drive. Signal isn't E2EE, given the security blunder in which private images from your gallery were sent to random contacts (which indicates a scary state management situation in the apps, this isn't easy to do). E2EE implies that you purposely send content to specific people which is encrypted, not that your app sends p…

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Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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It sort of used to be, although not exactly as a messenger - it was never good for one-to-one private conversations, but as a social network with channels and groups. However, for the last couple years enshittification is in progress - it's not at Microsoft Teams levels yet, but they're really trying to get there, shoving more and more ads (third- and first-party both) into users' faces with increasing frequency.

Since the protocol is actually open, you don't have to use the official client. I'm curious as to why you say it was "never good for one-to-one private conversations". I've been using it for this exact thing for many years, and still find it the best option currently on the market for a variety of reasons (e.g. unlike Signal it doesn't limit the number of devices which are linked to the same account).

I wasn't a telegram user for long so this may have changed but isn't the secret chat limited to device to device? So messages sent from my phone can't be decrypted by the same user account on my laptop?

I just remember thinking, well this is dumb, and going back to Signal (Signal annoys me in other ways, requiring a single phone to be the "master" and other devices to be merely linked. I miss keybase, they had a great system including paper backups)

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Given Tesla’s current prospects it seems more likely that xAI or SpaceX wind up bailing it out.

This is a self-comforting argument I keep seeing all over against Tesla. Yet, their refreshed models are showing up on roads very quickly. Demand for Tesla isn't permanently going anywhere just to make a few new Elon haters happy. I also don't like Musk, but I am not deluding myself like so many these days that Tesla is dead. Elon is much like a roach; he will survive nuclear Armageddon.

> not deluding myself like so many these days that Tesla is dead

Nobody said it's dead. Just that the car part of the company, the stable part, is somewhere between being abused and neglected by Musk. While the self-driving part has no competitive advantage and the robotics part seems to have legitimate synergies with xAI.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Given the shady stuff there, sounds like a match made in heaven to be honest, haha...

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this is actually pretty bad deal for russia. with xAI.

US based company will get access to the messaging of all russians/ukrainians/Iranians (with soldiers being very well represented), with the ability to run NLP and identify information of great importance to the NSA/DoD/CIA.

Imagine if AT&T routed all Americans' SMS/text messages to the Russian version of xAI, would you call this a bad deal for Russia or USA ????

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Exactly, but what users want is not part of this equation.

As a Telegram user, I don't mind having an interface to Grok that is outside of X.

Isn't that grok.com? There is also a grok iOS and Android app (though the Android app is apparently a bit of a 2nd class citizen)

Admittedly, some of the uses in the article do sound useful. Time will tell

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