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Denmark to raise retirement age to 70

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Re: Denmark to raise retirement age to 70

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They’re not working like idiots, they have universal unionization and lots of time off.

You can have the best working conditions in the world, it still sucks to have to work if you don't want to.

Well yeah but then your problem is the fact you have to work at all. I doubt any modern societies have solved the issue of needing people to work.

Re: Denmark to raise retirement age to 70

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There are quite a few highly paid professions where the main purpose of that profession’s union seems to be to prevent there being an adequate supply of the professionals.

Like med schools in the US

and law

Re: Denmark to raise retirement age to 70

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Sensible immigration policies

What are some examples of sensible immigration policies? How does the US compare / contrast?

US has highest immigration #s of any country.

Canada is close in some respects.

Re: Denmark to raise retirement age to 70

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They’re not working like idiots, they have universal unionization and lots of time off.

You can have the best working conditions in the world, it still sucks to have to work if you don't want to.

Some of us are fortunate to have jobs that we enjoy but the majority of people don't really want to work. They work to survive. That's just life.

Re: Denmark to raise retirement age to 70

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The top 1% pay like 25% of all taxes. If we want to increase tax revenue 25%, we can just double the taxes on the top 1%. This might cause some of the top 1% to suffer the extreme suffering of being in the top 2%. What part of the math am I not understanding?

>The top 1% pay like 25% of all taxes. If we want to increase tax revenue 25%, we can just double the taxes on the top 1%.

Just look at the countries that have already done this. What share of taxes does their top 1% pay, and does that consistent with your model? Or does the reality show exactly the opposite result?

Re: Denmark to raise retirement age to 70

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It's utterly insane that people need to work more and longer as technology increases productivity. A truly dystopian economic system. In 1930 Keynes projected that by 2000 their grandchildren could work 15 hours per week¹. Now the projection is that we will work more and longer in the future. And what is this labor supposed to even do? How much of even current work really increases wellbeing? Graeber's thesis of bull…

Yes, that's what strikes me as well. Where is the productivity gains going? Why are we still working 40 hour weeks, and possibly even for many more years? If I remember correctly, Denmark even removed a holiday recently. So work more days a year as well. That's the problem here. That a few people reap all the benefits of this, while the rest of us toil.

> Where is the productivity gains going?

Debt servicing.

I have no specific figures to back this up, but my assumption is that as we become more productive, more credit is made available, which leads to bigger debts and asset price inflation. Because of the asset price inflation, the debt is not necessarily used for productive purchases but, for example, to pay more for existing things - the obvious one being a home. The productivity gains are therefore claimed by creditors.

It would be interesting to see how well productivity increases and debt growth (esp. private) correlate.

Re: Denmark to raise retirement age to 70

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This is because of their low birth rate primarily right? I think the system has failed at this point, when you are expected to work that long.

How would you fix it? Note that even Scandinavian nations with very generous healthcare and childcare policies can't raise their rates, it simply seems that as people get wealthier, they have fewer kids, regardless of the status of their country's systems.

Re: Denmark to raise retirement age to 70

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There is an obvious solution to the problem of ageing population and declining birth rates. Furthermore, it's a solution everybody's secret soul wants very much: keep people younger for longer. Invent rejuvenation. But politicians would never dare go in front of cameras and say that they will put a dollar into R&D for such an outcome, because the wall of insults and disdain we would hurl, for no rational reason, at t…

There are tons of companies researching methods to increase life expectancy and rejuvenation. There is not much controversial about it yet.

It is not that it is hard because it is a controversial subject. It is hard because it is not one problem. To develop rejuvenation you would need to tackle hundreds of very difficult problems, both physiological and neurological, which individually, would represent solutions to critical conditions today (diabetes, dementia, ataxia, arthritis, many types of cancers etc etc).

Re: Denmark to raise retirement age to 70

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It's utterly insane that people need to work more and longer as technology increases productivity. A truly dystopian economic system. In 1930 Keynes projected that by 2000 their grandchildren could work 15 hours per week¹. Now the projection is that we will work more and longer in the future. And what is this labor supposed to even do? How much of even current work really increases wellbeing? Graeber's thesis of bull…

> How much of even current work really increases wellbeing?

If you think about it, there are fewer and fewer jobs that are genuinely useful.

I know it's a difficult topic, but I can't shake the feeling that we need some sort of government intervention in order to reorient the economy towards activities that actually benefit us.

Re: Denmark to raise retirement age to 70

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post #206

There is an obvious solution to the problem of ageing population and declining birth rates. Furthermore, it's a solution everybody's secret soul wants very much: keep people younger for longer. Invent rejuvenation. But politicians would never dare go in front of cameras and say that they will put a dollar into R&D for such an outcome, because the wall of insults and disdain we would hurl, for no rational reason, at t…

>Invent rejuvenation

I definitely don't think we have succeeded in "invented" this, but it surely has happened slowly over time. People in theirs 60s today are surely sharper than they used to be, with less chronic physical ailments.

But the end results is people living longer, and the solution still ends up being pushing back the retirement age.

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