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Re: Starcloud

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Please don’t suggest heating the ocean! Someone might just go to try to do that. The ocean is already warming too much!

It's a bit demoralizing how many suggestions in this thread would have significant environmental effects beyond what large scale AI training already has.

It's a bit demoralizing people talk about AI training as if it were even 1/100th the environmental impact of the personal automobile or frequent airplane trips

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> Microsoft had/has the Natick project which was an undersea data center testbed which allegedly had a bunch of benefits. That doesn't seem to have gone anywhere - or at least isn't really scaling up. I think at the core of this there's a risk analysis. At one point I briefly worked in a team in charge of a company's servers, and there were plenty of stories of things gone wrong enough that someone had to drive or fl…

Undersea doesn't have to mean in the middle of the ocean. Slap one downstream of one of the caissons of the Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge.

It doesn't have to be in the middle of the ocean to be less accessible than an on-ground data-center.

Even if it's in a giant pool next to an any existing data-center— accessing a machine that's underwater probably takes longer and is more likely to affect the operation of other machines than if it were on dry land.

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> Also disregard the cost it takes to send a technician for maintenance, of updating hardware, etc. This won't happen. If a satellite fails they will just write it off. Maintenance would be more expensive than depreciation

They’re proposing a multi-kilometer sized satellite, though. That’s more akin to demolishing an entire datacenter when something important fails.

How is it even feasible to build that?

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It's a bit demoralizing how many suggestions in this thread would have significant environmental effects beyond what large scale AI training already has.

It's far far faaar more demoralizing people not realizing orders of magnitude... Something like 2/3rds of sunshine is already being absorbed by oceans. How much solar power do humans harvest? A billionth?

I'm talking about the above proposals (albiet hypothetical) to either cover a pole of our planet in solar and other ocean based proposals--not solar in general.

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Radiation will do much worse than crashing your computers, it might alter memory and make you go insane. Especially with GPUs that is extra bad because of all the floating point operations where you wouldn't notice some bits being messed up.

Right, that was generous. It can also permanently destroy your chip, not just crash it.

A destroyed chip is best case scenario, because at least you know it is broken. But getting 'successful' results with errors in them is much much worse.
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