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Post by skybrian »

SequoiaHope wrote: post #169
eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

The reason you don’t have more time for music is not technological, it’s social. We have enough technology to offer a basic life for everyone for free, but we have not agreed that doing so is worthwhile.

The idea that we no longer need labor is preposterous. Where are the machines to take care of children or the sick, or to build and maintain housing?

What kind of science fiction world do you think you live in?

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Post by throwup238 »

fidotron wrote: post #317
eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

The underlying problem is that humans consistently underestimate how difficult some of our "lowest" functions are, like sorting out socks and folding the laundry. Canonical rant on the subject from a previous AI wave: https://people.csail.mit.edu/brooks/papers/elephants.pdf

It's called Moravec's paradox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec%27s_paradox (he is cited by the Elephants dont play chess paper)

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Post by dragandj »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #23

I've made a few tracks using Suno to scratch my own itch / desire for music that covers certain themes. The best use of Suno for has been the ease with which you can generate diss tracks: I ask Gemini to make a diss track lyrics related to specific topics, and then I have Suno generate the actual track. It's very cathartic when you're sitting at home in the dark because the power company continues to fail. Anyway, I…

> Why aren't the people who build these tools innovating more?

Perhaps these tools are being built by the LLMs? Why would only you be entitled to easy low-effort gains? Google's programmers like to vibe while sipping coctails in the dark, too. ;)

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Post by Workaccount2 »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #310
haswell wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there’s an even bigger issue than this. Many people would not know how to live under such a system. By this, I mean that I strongly believe people would become severely depressed or insanely stir crazy. I’ve been on an extended sabbatical after 20 years in tech. The first year was magical. “I could do this forever” I told myself, and actually considered it. The second year was more complicated. I could feel m…

This is what they keep telling us. My hunch is that people will find plenty of "work" to do in their families, their communities, in creative pursuits. Let's find out.

We have found out, it's just that the people who do the finding out generally have money, so their opinion is automatically discounted.

It's a bit like forever single people getting so lost in the ideas of a relationship, intimacy. That everything will be great once they have someone, once they have connection, that life will be amazing and nothing else will matter. Their life sucks because they don't have a relationship. People in relationships don't know what it's like and their opinion is invalid.

Then they get in a relationship and learn that it's actually comparatively banal and requires a lot of work and compromise, and definitely was not the insanely-built-up-over-many-years-magical-life-cure-all.

There are -endless- stories of people who made it rich early on, retired, and ended up in a mental health crisis despite having everything. That fact should be taken as a reality check to calibrate your own perceptions.

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Post by quenix »

kmijyiyxfbklao wrote: post #240
j_maffe wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about validation, it's about expression and communicationw with other humans. That's one of the key beauties of art and it's being flooded away with artificial, empty content

What sites are full of AI music? Spotify? Bandcamp?

Yup, both, and YouTube (for mixes) as well.

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Post by pcdoodle »

abenga wrote: post #258
xaldir wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

However, Holywood might like the idea of producing an endless stream of content/music/movies/etc. with little human intervention.

I will never ever ever knowingly consume media written by AI. Worst case, I will only consume media written before some cutoff, 2020 say.

I feel the same. I really wish there was a uBlock for AI content.

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Post by dragandj »

chaosprint wrote: post #149

It seems inevitable now. I used to think AI music would always sound compromised in term of audio quality, but the tech seems to have crossed a threshold, kind of like Retina displays did for screens. Soon, hiring people for commercial background music might be rare. Think AI for jingles, voiceovers, maybe even the models and visuals. Cafes can use AI-generated music too – in a way, the owner curates or "creates" it…

Cafes CAN use AI generated music, but WHY would they use it? Last time I checked there's millions of hours of human-produced music. The only reason might be the price, but AFAIK cafes have to pay a flat price to national music associations regardless of the actual music that they play. The downside is that AI-generated music might be cringe and chase away the customers. At best, cafes have no upside and no downside. At worst, they close the doors.

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Post by jrmg »

skybrian wrote: post #321
SequoiaHope wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason you don’t have more time for music is not technological, it’s social. We have enough technology to offer a basic life for everyone for free, but we have not agreed that doing so is worthwhile.

The idea that we no longer need labor is preposterous. Where are the machines to take care of children or the sick, or to build and maintain housing? What kind of science fiction world do you think you live in?

They’re not suggesting no-one has to work. They’re suggesting that no-one has to live without necessities like food, shelter or medical insecurity.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by haswell »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #320
haswell wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point is that I was firmly in the “I want to retire early” category, found myself with the means to do so, and that this wasn’t theoretical for me. But the thing I imagined is not the reality that I found. I realize “they” have other motives for convincing people such a future is a problem. But that doesn’t remove what I truly believe would be a hellish reality for many. I’m all for pushing society in a less work-…

I was basically unemployable due to health problems for several years before covid made work from home normal. It's not really theoretical for me either. It was, all things considered, great. I have never been more involved in the communities and connections that I find valuable and fulfilling. I learned several complex skills that continue to benefit me and the people around me, I taught and mentored young people so…

> I don't believe either of our individual experiences are really a good predictor of universal human experience in this area. Do you?

No, and I said as much in my comment. My point was not that my experience is universal, but that I have direct experience with the failure mode of such an arrangement. Am I 50% of the population? 75? 5? I don’t know. But as I went though it, I met more people who’d gone through something similar, and I learned a lot about myself that made me realize my previous imagination about a life without work were mostly fantasies. Again, this isn’t to say there aren’t productive ways to navigate it. Just that the ways I imagined this working were very different from reality.

The bottom line is that we don’t know what such an arrangement would bring about at mass scale, and if people are more likely to have an experience like yours or like mine. There’s probably a spectrum of experiences between them. I just think we should approach such a future thoughtfully and carefully.

Diving in head first with a “let’s see what happens” attitude seems dangerous and ill advised.

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Post by giraffe_lady »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #324
giraffe_lady wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what they keep telling us. My hunch is that people will find plenty of "work" to do in their families, their communities, in creative pursuits. Let's find out.

We have found out, it's just that the people who do the finding out generally have money, so their opinion is automatically discounted. It's a bit like forever single people getting so lost in the ideas of a relationship, intimacy. That everything will be great once they have someone, once they have connection, that life will be amazing and nothing else will matter. Their life sucks because they don't have a relation…

Two things here:

I have no data either way but I can imagine that there are many more people who are wealthy and quietly having a great time with it. Most of the retired people I've known, early or not, also enjoyed it. Some have definitely taken up work-like pursuits on their own terms.

Secondly the wealth being the means to achieve this is itself a confounding variable. I don't think it's good for your mind or soul to "have everything," no. Life isn't and shouldn't be merely a series of your own preferences. That doesn't indicate to me that lacking confidence in your mere survival is necessary for human thriving. As far as I know research indicates the opposite.

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