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Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by mvdtnz »

benterix wrote: post #318
dankwizard wrote: post #95

This article fails to mention the absolute butchering of features that takes place moving from a typical music streaming subscription to a self hosted Jellyfin library. A large part of my listening on YouTube Music is going to a particular song or band I like and clicking "Radio", which generates a playlist of similar sounding songs. You can then fine tune it with a filter i.e "Popular songs, deep cuts" or specific e…

It was like this in the past, now it's crappy. The algorithmic optimization started eating its own tail. And it's a problem on all platforms, from Spotify to YouTube. Let's take YT. In very simple terms, instead of taking a bold move and suggesting a few outliers (similar to differentiating the population as it's done in evolutionary algorithms), it takes an easy shot and, if I'm identified as male, suggests some vid…

This hasn't been my experience at all. Not sure why Youtube would suggest big breasted female artists when I never, ever, ever watch the video when I'm playing music.

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

flessner wrote: post #116
anthropodie wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Self-hosting stuff is awesome if you have the skills. >I have been on a mission for the last 2 years to replace as many subscriptions as possible with self-hosted solutions. I have been doing the same for quite some time now but it's only recently I realized all these subscriptions services are just making rich richer. We should encourage self hosting as much as possible. I mean why should we pay huge corporations m…

For "content subscriptions" (Spotify, YouTube, Netflix) keep in mind that a part of the revenue goes towards the content creators. For anything else, I can also highly recommend using local or self-hosted software. Plenty of open source software has even exceeded proprietary alternatives in the last couple years.

I suspect that buying an album through bandcamp results in the artist receiving way more money than what a subscription will ever pay them.

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Post by zaphodias »

chillfox wrote: post #58

Self-hosting stuff is awesome if you have the skills. I have been on a mission for the last 2 years to replace as many subscriptions as possible with self-hosted solutions. The subscriptions really had gotten out of hand, it had gotten to about $200 (AUD) a month. Quick napkin math is that I have cancelled about ~$150 a month worth of subscriptions so far. The $500 office desktop I got for a home server is struggling…

I'm doing the same, I have family plans with my friends for pretty much anything so I don't think I ever reached such high monthly costs though.

I started my home server for self hosting Immich, not only for the cost but because I like to have my images close to me.

I also recently replaced Lightroom with ON1, it's definitely not the same quality but, as hobbyist, it didn't make much sense to pay that much for me anymore. It was by far the most expensive subscription I had.

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Post by 10729287 »

grepexdev wrote: post #188
lolive wrote: post #178

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Spotify « radio » is the best reason to listen to real radios ! [honestly the DJs on most of the radios I listen to are insanely skilled !] Btw, is there somewhere a search engine to know when a given [set of] track was played where, in the internet radio world?

This! I recently ditched Spotify and rediscovered radio in the past few weeks. There are so many great songs I've come across from bands I enjoy that I had never heard of because, as someone else said, Spotify's algorithm is way overfit.

It's also great sometimes to discover great music from genre you usually don't like, or... just be exposed to songs you don't like. This is what helps building a musical culture.

Please allow me to recommend FIP, as a human (it's a classic here but there's no such thing as recommending too much FIP) : https://www.radiofrance.fr/fip

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Post by amelius »

benfortuna wrote: post #219
armSixtyFour wrote: post #149

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I would have agreed with you 3 years ago. But now not so much. Spotify "Radio" feature just tends to want to give me music I've already listened to over new music. Whatever algorithm they are using has waaaay overfit to what I have already liked. There used to be curated playlists done by humans, now almost everything is "made for you by Spotify" playlists which, have the exact same issue as the radio stations, sudde…

Does noone use the Spotify "daylist" playlist, that cycles between genres you have listened to previously? This regular plays music I have never heard (both old and new).

Not available for everybody.

> As of today, daylist is available to both Free and Premium users across the U.S., Canada, the U.K., Australia, New Zealand, and Ireland at spotify.com/daylist.

https://newsroom.spotify.com/2023-09-12/ever-changing-playli...

(note: old post, but still accurate?)

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Post by switch007 »

nickspacek wrote: post #112
smj-edison wrote: post #103

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What do you do for backups? I'm just setting up an Emby instance with a 4 TB hard drive attached, but I'm worried it'll fail and take everything with it.

Look into Backblaze B2. Use rclone, or another backup tool that has S3 compatibility (though B2 API has some additional bells and whistles). With rclone, you can also have a step to seamlessly encrypt the contents on the client side before sending to an external provider like B2. I chose B2 because it is the most affordable option, but rclone supports many backends.

Rclone is a great tool but it is not really a complete backup tool. Ie no snapshots.

You can use it to sync local snapshots or to a destination that does snapshots for example

Borg/restic are more complete solutions

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Post by conradfr »

lolive wrote: post #178
armSixtyFour wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would have agreed with you 3 years ago. But now not so much. Spotify "Radio" feature just tends to want to give me music I've already listened to over new music. Whatever algorithm they are using has waaaay overfit to what I have already liked. There used to be curated playlists done by humans, now almost everything is "made for you by Spotify" playlists which, have the exact same issue as the radio stations, sudde…

Spotify « radio » is the best reason to listen to real radios ! [honestly the DJs on most of the radios I listen to are insanely skilled !] Btw, is there somewhere a search engine to know when a given [set of] track was played where, in the internet radio world?

https://onlineradiobox.com has the data but doesn't search on it it seems.

Disclaimer I make https://www.radio-addict.com but only retrieve the played song data on demand (never tried to probe all 80k+ radio streams at the same time on my small server, could be fun), but searching on it could be a new feature (it's stored in Elixir genservers :D)

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Post by dandersch »

udev4096 wrote: post #204

Anyone concerned about recommendations might wanna look at musicbrainz. You can write a script for fetching the recommendations based on your current library every week

Can you elaborate? I'm not aware of musicbrainz having any recommendations/discovery features.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by benterix »

mvdtnz wrote: post #321
benterix wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was like this in the past, now it's crappy. The algorithmic optimization started eating its own tail. And it's a problem on all platforms, from Spotify to YouTube. Let's take YT. In very simple terms, instead of taking a bold move and suggesting a few outliers (similar to differentiating the population as it's done in evolutionary algorithms), it takes an easy shot and, if I'm identified as male, suggests some vid…

This hasn't been my experience at all. Not sure why Youtube would suggest big breasted female artists when I never, ever, ever watch the video when I'm playing music.

> This hasn't been my experience at all.

No wonder, I'm pretty sure they're doing A/B testing all the time.

> Not sure why Youtube would suggest big breasted female artists when I never, ever, ever watch the video when I'm playing music.

They don't care. I sometimes open YT on new machines and it's always the same generic junk.

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Post by conradfr »

10729287 wrote: post #324
grepexdev wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This! I recently ditched Spotify and rediscovered radio in the past few weeks. There are so many great songs I've come across from bands I enjoy that I had never heard of because, as someone else said, Spotify's algorithm is way overfit.

It's also great sometimes to discover great music from genre you usually don't like, or... just be exposed to songs you don't like. This is what helps building a musical culture. Please allow me to recommend FIP, as a human (it's a classic here but there's no such thing as recommending too much FIP) : https://www.radiofrance.fr/fip

Radio Paradise is a great alternative to FIP.

https://radioparadise.com

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