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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by rfrey »

logicchains wrote: post #250
iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

> thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. This came with a responsibility to provide military protection to the US via NATO. Trumps voters don't want America to be an empire, responsible for protecting a bunch of far-away places that don't share their values, that's why they called the movement "America first". Historically speaking being an empire generally turns…

> Thumps voters don't want America to be an empire

Why the leadup (complete with de-humanization of citizens!) to annexation of Canada, then? Why normalization of invading parts of Europe (Greenland)? Why talk about taking over Panama?

Trump is 100% pro-empire, he's just too thick to understand that America already had empire without having Google Maps have everything the same colour.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by tored »

jjevanoorschot wrote: post #276
dachworker wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a weird attitude among European elites where on the one hand, they point out how European countries have always been in a subservient position within the American sphere of influence, but then, instead of cheering that this era is ending, they seem to be all upset about it and want their collar to be put back on. Help me understand this. To me it seems that maybe the interests of EU elites differ from the in…

An important distinction is that US and EU interests aligned on many important areas up until recently. So it was less of a subservient relationship, and more of a mutually beneficial one. Now that the US wants to turn it into a subservient relationship, the EU is naturally looking for other options.

No, Europe is a de facto vassal state to US since WW2.

What Europe didn’t understand or didn’t want to understand was the US agenda differs from Europe agenda , always has. But now they start to wake up facing this reality.

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Post by Macha »

JdeBP wrote: post #116
GaggiX wrote: post #10

Youtube is the real tough one to replace, BiliBili is probably the only one that comes close to it and it's Chinese.

In addition to the others elsethread, there's also Nebula; which goes for being creator-owned, not suppressive of minority content (which has seen it banned by LG as a consequence), and subscription model rather than advertisement model. * https://nebula.tv/faq

Nebula might be an alternative to YouTube in general, depending on your use of YouTube, but for the purposes of this discussion, it's still American owned.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by mrweasel »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #253
gkbrk wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ecosia is just Bing and Google though [1], so basically American and not German. It looks like they're planning to build a European index with Qwant [2], but their help pages still say they're on Bing and Google so I guess nothing materialized yet. [1]: https://ecosia.helpscoutdocs.com/article/579-search-results-... [2]: https://blog.ecosia.org/eusp/

I don't believe any Western European search companies have their own search index, and Ecosia seems to currently have the best chance of growing into a real vertically integrated search provider, so I'm using them.

Mojeek (UK-based) does apparently have their own index.

The results are interesting, they aren't bad, just different. Localized search isn't great, but it might be perfectly fine if you're in the UK.

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Post by spiderfarmer »

elric wrote: post #317

Trade is the best way to maintain peace. I don't like situation one bit. International relations are souring. It's hard to imagine that this is unintentional.

It could also be that the US have a person in power who is clearly out of his element.

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Post by rfrey »

epolanski wrote: post #242
defrost wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference between UK farmers voting numbers for Brexit and the general UK population voting numbers for Brexit was ~ 1% .. within the margin of error and shows that farmers overall voted much as the general UK population did. Given the smaller absolute number of farmers, their vote carried less significant weight than many other blocs. ~ https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fv... ~ https://w…

> and shows that farmers overall voted much as the general UK population did. Against their own interest.

Sure, but your parent's point is that they did so no more or less than the general population. This is in response to the assertion that farmers are especially stupid.

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Post by olieidel »

Help me understand this: European companies have already been interested in choosing for European alternatives instead of AWS, Azure, etc. for years.

Sure, this interest has recently gone up significantly, but it already was there, especially in the area I've been working in (hospitals / medical devices).

But here's what I can't wrap my head around: Why do the European alternatives suck so much?

- Pretty much all cloud providers seem (very) subpar to AWS. Some are better in a very isolated way, e.g. Hetzner offers better prices for cloud instances, bare metal servers and object storage. But they don't offer anything else. OVHcloud's web interface is terrible. Telekom Cloud runs Huawei hardware and software (!) and the dev experience is really bad.

- There's no real Cloudflare alternative.

- There's no real Google Workspace / Microsoft Teams competitor (Mail + Calendar + Drive).

- No search engine / Google alternative.

Or, let me rephrase this from another angle: In the US, startups regularly build serious competitor products to some of the incumbents mentioned above. Look at what fly.io and render.com did to Heroku, I think that's very impressive. Or hey.com slowly building a Gmail alternative, very cool.

So it's possible, technically.

But why not in Europe?

I can't get a satisfactory explanation for this observation. We certainly have smart people and good universities. Is it about funding? Or about the culture of not promoting entrepreneurship? Bureaucracy? GDPR?

I genuinely don't know. What do you think?

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Post by belter »

dachworker wrote: post #267
iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

There is a weird attitude among European elites where on the one hand, they point out how European countries have always been in a subservient position within the American sphere of influence, but then, instead of cheering that this era is ending, they seem to be all upset about it and want their collar to be put back on. Help me understand this. To me it seems that maybe the interests of EU elites differ from the in…

What do you do, if one of your social acquaintances goes full Kanye West?

"Anger in Greenland over visits this week by Usha Vance and Mike Waltz" - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/24/greenland-usha...

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Post by tgaj »

tored wrote: post #309
dachworker wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a weird attitude among European elites where on the one hand, they point out how European countries have always been in a subservient position within the American sphere of influence, but then, instead of cheering that this era is ending, they seem to be all upset about it and want their collar to be put back on. Help me understand this. To me it seems that maybe the interests of EU elites differ from the in…

What Trump did was to pull out the rug under the European establishment, which have all built their political existence on the transatlantic cooperation. Who is to blame? European establishment wants of course the citizens of Europe to blame Trump and not them for not preparing for this eventuality. But the truth is that almost all of them are responsible for neglecting what is the best interest of Europe. Thus they…

Hard times are ahead if nations start to care only about their best interest and not about what is the best interest of the whole world.
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