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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #109
rhaps0dy wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could host it in Mexico or Canada, they're pretty nice!

Aren't there still violent conflicts with drug gangs where citizens are killed still going on in Mexico?

Yes absolutely. It’s odd to see people here suggesting Mexico as an alternative based on safety of travelers. It’s a giveaway that they’re simply being opportunistic in attacking America due to their opposition to the administration, rather than anything actually safety related.

As an example, this article from 2025 about a family of foreigners being shot dead also lists numerous other recent examples of tourists being killed, and links to those stories:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/01/world/americas/americans-...

Those aren’t even the only ones, and physical harm isn’t the only type of crime foreigners can experience in Mexico either. Moving a conference there for safety makes no sense whatsoever.

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Post by vanviegen »

andsoitis wrote: post #195
vanviegen wrote: post #137

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For many travellers it would be hard to find a flight plan without a stop in the US though.

From which countries do you need to transit through the US to get either to Canada or Mexico?

'Need', probably none. But the workaround may involve a very long and expensive detour.

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

leftcenterright wrote: post #292
oefrha wrote: post #246

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That exact same article says someone has been tossed around in that system for ten months. That’s just someone among the 100-200 people they met. That same article even has photos of the system from the 2000s. There’s a photo of people sleeping on the floor wrapped in the exact kind of aluminum sheet “blankets” dated 2014. It’s been going on for very long. (Btw, I suspect it’s only getting attention now that the more…

The links you shared in your original comment all pointed to "rejections", not "legal people being detained". What has always been going on: people overstay their visa, depending on the scale and country, people get treated badly almost always in these cases. What is happening now: people being critical of Trump are being rejected, legal visa holders are being detained because of the scale of the abuse. These are cle…

> What is happening now: people being critical of Trump are being rejected, legal visa holders are being detained because of the scale of the abuse.

The agencies don’t reveal reasons why someone was denied or detained, so there is no evidence whatsoever that someone was detained for being critical of Trump. The claim that this happened is from Philippe Baptiste, a French minister for higher education who has been attacking America continuously in a bid to attract researchers from the US.

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

Jolter wrote: post #258
dtquad wrote: post #89

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Not all EU countries are the same. I would avoid Hungary, Slovakia, and former Eastern Germany (except Berlin).

As far a I know, all of the listed countries are reasonably safe to travel to. I’ve not heard any stories of arbitrary detention from any of them, which is what this article is (mostly) about. Trans people might not enjoy Slovakia or Hungary right now, but I’m not sure they are unsafe to visit for them (yet)? Someone local might fill me in here…

It’s not unsafe for anyone to visit the US either. Unless you’re violating the law in some way, like presenting false documents or overstaying a visa - in which case there would be consequences like in any other country. Sure mistakes can happen on rare occasions, like in any country, but “arbitrary” detention isn’t a thing. That’s just sensationalism from a biased news media that has no idea why anyone was denied or detained, since that isn’t public information.

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Post by Raed667 »

HexDecOctBin wrote: post #235

@dang Why is this flagged? Even without the politics, knowing that a large cohort is not going to attend in an important piece of information.

the fact that dang refuses to reinstate the thread even 6 hours later is worrying me, this is 100% a valid topic for HN

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by Jolter »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #324
Jolter wrote: post #258

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As far a I know, all of the listed countries are reasonably safe to travel to. I’ve not heard any stories of arbitrary detention from any of them, which is what this article is (mostly) about. Trans people might not enjoy Slovakia or Hungary right now, but I’m not sure they are unsafe to visit for them (yet)? Someone local might fill me in here…

It’s not unsafe for anyone to visit the US either. Unless you’re violating the law in some way, like presenting false documents or overstaying a visa - in which case there would be consequences like in any other country. Sure mistakes can happen on rare occasions, like in any country, but “arbitrary” detention isn’t a thing. That’s just sensationalism from a biased news media that has no idea why anyone was denied or…

Overstaying a visa in any other (developed) country does not result in this kind of detention. These people are not even being given due process. I’m sure each of them is detained for some mistake in their paperwork, but some of these stories are really not flattering to the ICE.

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Post by Jolter »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #324
Jolter wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far a I know, all of the listed countries are reasonably safe to travel to. I’ve not heard any stories of arbitrary detention from any of them, which is what this article is (mostly) about. Trans people might not enjoy Slovakia or Hungary right now, but I’m not sure they are unsafe to visit for them (yet)? Someone local might fill me in here…

It’s not unsafe for anyone to visit the US either. Unless you’re violating the law in some way, like presenting false documents or overstaying a visa - in which case there would be consequences like in any other country. Sure mistakes can happen on rare occasions, like in any country, but “arbitrary” detention isn’t a thing. That’s just sensationalism from a biased news media that has no idea why anyone was denied or…

I don’t know if you’ve read about it but apparently if a trans woman has “F” in her passport and a border agent determines that she was previously a man, that’s now considered fraudulent and grounds for detention and deportation.

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

Jolter wrote: post #304
arketyp wrote: post #71

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"compensatory actions", is that how you refer to Trump's executive order regarding gender identity? As if it was "provoked" by something? Do you know there is a word for someone who is "provoked" by others gaining access to basic human rights?

[flagged]

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Post by tailspin2019 »

gruturo wrote: post #282
billfruit wrote: post #173

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And since many US airports do not have facilities for 'sterile transfers', people will require a US C1 Transit Visa to travel connecting through US.

This is deliberate. To my knowledge, absolutely no US airports allow you to transit without going through immigration, and stopovers in the US are very hard to avoid because the FAA imposes a hefty fee to flights over the country unless they stop at a US airport. So it's very expensive to overfly the US without landing, and once you land you can't avoid immigration even if you are just transiting on your way to anoth…

This has got me wondering how many flights currently fly over Greenland…
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