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Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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There's nothing new here. From AirDrop to AirPods, Apple's MO is to lock you into their ecosystem and be as belligerent as possible toward any non-Apple gizmo. Couple that with social and network effects, and you have a perfect formula for monopolizing a market without continuously improving the tech.

I like the ecosystem. If you don’t, choose another ecosystem.

"Love it or leave it" - why not make it better?

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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I guess I’ll take the contra here on messages integration — moving a message over BLE to untrusted hardware and worse accepting them back into iMessage is a massive, massive change in the security boundary and therefore security architecture and therefore security promises that apple makes on iMessage. I do not believe average smartwatch users understand what they’d be doing if they got this. I do not believe vendors…

So sick of this strawman dialectic from the apple-brained, where the alternative to the walled garden is the worst possible implementation of an open standard.

It's not a straw man argument, it is the argument.

An average user can't dive into the bluetooth driver code and figure out where in the 4000 page spec something deviates and is now a security issue. So we have to assume the worst.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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It's not very trivial to manage an Apple device and Apple would shut down those ABM tenants real quick. Not to mention, supervision requires enrollment pre-setup, which is really difficult. So "just replace x with y" does not really work in this context, MDM is vastly more effort than you think and OP-s point still stands.

MDM is not easy but you can enroll devices after the fact, pre-enrollment isn’t the only option. But yes, it’s a PITA to deal with even at the best of times.

You can, but that does not give you a supervised device, as I said.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

#324

There's nothing new here. From AirDrop to AirPods, Apple's MO is to lock you into their ecosystem and be as belligerent as possible toward any non-Apple gizmo. Couple that with social and network effects, and you have a perfect formula for monopolizing a market without continuously improving the tech.

I like the ecosystem. If you don’t, choose another ecosystem.

I like that the EU forces Apple to be more open. If you don't, just don't come to Europe.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

#325

I think people forget that Apple is not making devices for the Hackernews community. They are making devices for people that just want something that works pretty well and has reasonable security - even to the extent of protecting them from themselves. They have other things to do with their time than learn about security vulnerabilities and how to avoid them. They want to just click 'yes' on every popup and expect t…

> This is 90% of humanity, including people we all know and love.

I'd say more like 95-99% of humanity tbh.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Another company that would like Apple to donate R&D resources to them to add iOS API for free.

Another company that would like Apple to not expose functionality to their first-party ecosystem and refuse to expose it to third parties even with user consent. If the functionality isn't available to anyone , fine, so be it. If the functionality exists on the Apple Watch, it should be done through an API.

Surprised there are professional developers who seem to be clueless about the vast difference in the cost of developing 3p API versus internal only functions. The basic difference between public and private has been captured in language design for decades now.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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MDM is not easy but you can enroll devices after the fact, pre-enrollment isn’t the only option. But yes, it’s a PITA to deal with even at the best of times.

You can, but that does not give you a supervised device, as I said.

Ahh, maybe I’m mistaken or maybe iOS works differently. I believe you can enroll it in MDM and then you have 30 or 60 days to kick it out at any time and then it becomes fully locked in. Or perhaps I have my terminology wrong. I only scratch the surface of MDM at my company.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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post #293

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Couldn't you make that argument for literally any anticompetitive practice? Like in the 1990s: "Microsoft isn't making an OS for people that want to try different browsers"

Yes, you could. It's indeed troubling to see this mindset on HN. We have an overflow of professional "explainers" these days, we need more doers and fighters.

The "hackers" grew up and made money. Don't rock the boat!

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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post #293

I think people forget that Apple is not making devices for the Hackernews community. They are making devices for people that just want something that works pretty well and has reasonable security - even to the extent of protecting them from themselves. They have other things to do with their time than learn about security vulnerabilities and how to avoid them. They want to just click 'yes' on every popup and expect t…

Couldn't you make that argument for literally any anticompetitive practice? Like in the 1990s: "Microsoft isn't making an OS for people that want to try different browsers"

Not any anticompetitive practice, just the ones that allow in competitors who have different security models for human/computer interaction.

Imagine if you could swap out Siri for Alexa. The privacy guarantees are nothing alike. People buy iPhones because they prohibit unsafe choices.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Music isn't in the list of apps and I don't see any way to add it. I would love to fix this in my car radio.

There should be a "+" button you can click and select any app. The Music app is located in the /Applications folder.

Oh I misread. My problem is on iOS.
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