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The School Car Pickup Line Is a National Embarrassment

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Re: The School Car Pickup Line Is a National Embarrassment

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Post by jamesblonde »

cogman10 wrote: post #316
devilbunny wrote: post #286

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You must have a lot of schools. I walked or biked about a mile each way to school starting in third grade (age 8-9), and the only reason I didn't do it a year earlier was that the two other kids who would accompany me were a year younger. I only got dropped off if it was raining (that can be quite severe and thunderstorms are common) or if I was so late that I couldn't make it. In the latter case, I walked home. Four…

Housing in Europe is very different from what it is in the US. A lot of it will look something like this [1]. In England, it's actually somewhat unusual to have any space between two homes. Semi and fully detached homes command a fairly high price. Roads were also not built for cars, so they tend to be much narrower than what you'd find in the US. All that means you'll find a much higher population density. You can e…

Typical (nice) appartment housing in Stockholm

https://whitearkitekter.com/news/kvarter-7-the-starting-poin...

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Post by cogman10 »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #292
bink wrote: post #143

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Indeed. My kid could theoretically walk to/from school, but they carry a musical instrument every day along with a backpack full of all of their books. The school doesn't offer lockers anymore because they deemed it "unsafe", so all books and a big Chromebook need to come home each day (and be carried between every class).

lockers are unsafe? wtf terrible school system is this?

One that has to deal with parents either explicitly buying a handgun for their kids or leaving handguns in easily accessible locations.

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Post by qball »

mmooss wrote: post #220
qball wrote: post #197

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>That wouldn't work in US until the whole culture changes. This is one of those things laws are great at. Delete the power of idiot Karens and the culture will return to normal. It works for Utah (and to a point, Texas); it can work for your polity, too. When children are at far greater risk of abuse and abduction by concern trolls and the State, and they very much are in New World countries, your society is broken.

> children are at far greater risk of abuse and abduction by concern trolls and the State Is there evidence of that? And would you define 'concern trolls' (beyond 'people who have concerns different than mine')?

>people who have concerns different than mine

"Trying to abduct my child either directly or by proxy" is not merely a question of polite differing concerns.

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Post by RhysU »

bink wrote: post #143
jerlam wrote: post #111

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Many of them can't walk home from school. As the article says, most students now live too far away from school (greater than three miles), and many rural/suburban areas have underdeveloped sidewalks and traffic systems. If three miles sounds like not a big deal, it certainly is when you have short legs, a backpack full of books, and uncooperative weather. I was lucky enough to walk to/from school for most of my schoo…

Indeed. My kid could theoretically walk to/from school, but they carry a musical instrument every day along with a backpack full of all of their books. The school doesn't offer lockers anymore because they deemed it "unsafe", so all books and a big Chromebook need to come home each day (and be carried between every class).

I played the trombone in sixth grade. Your kid will be fine carrying anything short of a baritone by that age. It sucks to carry. Switch hands as necessary. Be selective with your books on instrument days. But he or she can manage.

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Post by googlehater »

WorldMaker wrote: post #283
bluGill wrote: post #262

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No they are not. That is what happens in the movies, but in reality those people are just like anyone else - mostly nice people. Even stand your ground laws which allow you to shoot without asking questions only apply in specific situations and are unlikely to apply (though without specific details I cannot say for sure)

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/center-for-gun-violence-solutio... Especially noted: > Overall, rural counties had the highest rate of gun deaths.

From your own link:

- Large metropolitan counties had the highest gun homicide rate compared to rural counties.

- Rural counties had the highest rate of gun suicides compared to metropolitan counties.

:)

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Post by davidbanham »

ainiriand wrote: post #85
mmmlinux wrote: post #26

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"he decided" is probably one of the issues here. back in the day it would have been "this is what your doing now kid"

That kind of upbringing worked out really well for the boomers, we are in this mess because of that. Kids should have agency and independence, but also a feeling of safety, trust, and security. You cannot force a kid to work against their own safety instinct because of your own selfish comfort.

Parenting isn’t just about defending your kid’s boundaries on their behalf. It’s also helping your kid to grow and expand those boundaries, and giving them the skills to manage them independently.

The end goal is to create a happy, fully functioning adult.

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Post by ghaff »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #260
gizajob wrote: post #206

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And yet you’re still with us. Jumping onto the wall or into a hedge is part of the fun.

The ones who aren't still with us don't post comments on HN anymore.

Yeah, "I didn't die taking a jump in a wingsuit" isn't actually a recommendation that's a safe thing to do. Or, hey, plenty of people survived climbing K2.

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Post by bitsage »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #211
aerostable_slug wrote: post #207

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You cannot legislate positive cultural attributes into being. There's no way to fine people into reading to their kids, picking up trash when they see it, deciding to put the grocery cart back, prioritizing academic achievement, etc.

It takes a lot more than legislation, but Japan's modern culture is in large part the product of its education system. It has a strong focus on teaching exactly that sort of prosocial behaviour.

Even then, Japan’s homogeneity allows its government to teach a certain lifestyle to kids with no backlash. That’s unworkable here in the US.

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Post by FireBeyond »

bluGill wrote: post #304
FireBeyond wrote: post #300

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I am a mandatory reporter (healthcare provider), and I specifically called out that jurisdictions, occupations, and events or situations may tweak that. > Many activities now make all adults mandatory reporters I was specifically commenting that an activity doesn't make someone a mandatory reporter. That is you are a mandatory reporter based on your occupation, status, and what is happening. The OPs comment makes it…

Their policy is probably only act as if. The training I'm given doesn't go into such details though. Come to think of it, they say it is mandatory to report, but are careful to avoid talking about the law. However it is recorded I have training. I would honestly expect the courts decide that I'm legally a mandatory reporter if it was discovered I should have seen something, even if I don't technically meet the law. (…

That makes absolute sense. And I think it's quite deliberate to not talk about the law. And I have no objections to a policy that 'we expect you to report concerning things' and disqualifying you if they learned you didn't.

All of this is of course on top of any moral or ethical imperatives about reporting suspected abuse, mandated or otherwise.

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Post by nnf »

Suppafly wrote: post #246
technothrasher wrote: post #19

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Just letting the kids out en mass is how my son's school worked until Covid. Then they went to the call out the car as it arrives system as you describe, and they never went back. It is so much worse. Thankfully, my son drives himself to school now so I don't have to deal with it any longer.

>Just letting the kids out en mass is how my son's school worked until Covid. My kids school worked like that and it was still a mess, primarily because the parents were too stupid to follow the rules as to how to park their cars. I was set up so that everyone parked in parallel rows ||||| but the ones on the right were closest to the exit, so a bunch of people would pull into those rows to the point that they'd wrap…

> because the parents were too stupid

This sums up all of the school pickup problems I see and/or deal with daily.

I also see many parents making dangerous decisions, most of which fit into the “I’ll go now” category, including accelerating quickly to get to the crosswalk before the kids crossing the street do. Just this school year, I’ve seen multiple near misses, with kids jumping back onto the sidewalk to avoid being hit by a parent who just picked up their own kid.

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