Hahahaha, do they even know what they are doing to their US hegemony?! This kind of short-term thinking leads to the US enemies laughing all their way into the bank. They don‘t even understand what they‘re losing here. If they don’t try to path-correct very soon this is the beginning of a gradual decline. Is the current U.S. leadership really that afraid? There is no reason to act like this otherwise. Or this is some very very incredibly smart way of ”peace through strength”. Go figure and good luck all.
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After Zelenskyy came to the White House with the intention of running the already-decided deal to the ground with some newly invented security guarantees not talked about previously, heavily expecting US to bend the knee to him is just out of place. This is a completely bonkers take. You actually expected him to sign over an absurd mineral commitment with no agreed benefit for Ukraine? Just toss Ukraine up on the tab…
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FWIW, all European countries combined spend 5x more on military expenditure, than Russia. And that's using old numbers, before Trump became POTUS.
Yet Russia has more brigades, more artillery and artillery shells, more nukes. The comment above is right. Europe needs to wake the hell up and increase military production 10X, even if temporarily.
If Russians take Ukraine, they will force their population to attack the next country. Just like it happened with men of Donbass.
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"Video of Zelensky Saying Thank You to America 94 Times Goes Viral"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/international-relations/v...
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#325Right now every buyer of American kit is feverishly evaluating non-US alternatives. Seriously, America, this is like Brexit but 1000x. A voluntary decision, taken with gusto, to chop off arms and legs and ears and fingers and whatnot, cut off the deadwood, be light and free, a lone vessel on the ocean of prosperity, free of the burden of the stupid foreigners who are the sole reason why everything was going wrong.
Remember those Iranian F-14s?
Yeah. What you said has zero relevance. It's not like US is taking away the jets. They are just reducing proactive support because it's a democracy and the people don't want the country to be on the leash of anyone.
It's time for Europe to do its own work on this. As a Finnish guy I know plenty of that, and don't view other European nations as acting very responsible having had their self defense capabilities and believability wither.
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#326And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…
Taiwan is now going to be seriously worried.
If Taiwan didn’t give up on the US and start making alternative plans on Nov 7th, that was a huge mistake. The US has made it clear that not only is it abandoning traditional allies, it will likely side with any invading force that exercises the “might makes right” principle.
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The US hasn’t been isolationist since WW2, quite the opposite once we were relatively unscathed by the conflict and rose to the worlds #1 military superpower.
It seems to me Trump is following the logic that the current danger to the US is China, not Russia. Approaching Russia may be a strategy to ensure China and Russia (and maybe all BRICS) are not aligned against the US. He probably believes that Europe is not a threat, and won't become one even when the US behave in ways that go against its interests (Which I would say is correct).
I have to say that while that world view may be misguided, and certainly is not a worldview Europeans would agree with, it is nonetheless a rational view, and is almost certainly correct in that Russia alone is not a serious threat to the US, and won't be in the medium term at least (it can barely win in Ukraine, to think it could win against NATO and then go on to take the US is just delusional).
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#328And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…
> end of an empire Imperialism is not good, so this is welcome.
A broken arm is not good, but that doesn’t mean cancer is welcome.
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The best explanation I've heard is that this (almost) half of the US population doesn't care if it hurts a bit, as long as it hurts the other half of the US population more.
No, that's not it. I'm writing this from rural America in deep Trump territory, and people here are already struggling and have been for years. From their perspective they've been left out of the benefits of the global economy—the big cities and the coasts might be better off, but the middle of the country wants to go back to when they had opportunities and jobs for working class Americans. They're almost certainly w…
Grew up in the midwest and still have a lot of ties there. You left out the absolutely gargantuan amount of right wing crazy propaganda that has all of them hating democrats and "The Left" and "socialists" to death. The most religious literally believe the Democrats are evil and want to destroy America. They've been harping on that for 40 years.
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#330And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…
That also means no country will want to buy US (military) equipment.