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Re: Microsoft is plotting a future without OpenAI

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Post by FpUser »

zozbot234 wrote: post #167
pclmulqdq wrote: post #145

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The go and rust crowds both love writing things in their own language for its own sake. Not because it's a good choice. For a large web backend, go is great. For many other things it's terrible.

Rust is pretty antithetical to resume-driven development because a lot of the stuff that's written in Rust is too well-written and free of the usual kinds of software defects. It immediately becomes "done" and enters low-effort maintenance mode, there's just very little reason to get involved with it anymore since "it just works". Believe it or not, this whole dynamic is behind a lot of the complaints about Rust in t…

What a load of BS. Even if initial time saving was true because of "no bugs feature" and it is not. Any software product that serves real business needs usually constantly evolves. Most of the time is spent on planning new features and integrating those into existing architecture.

Re: Microsoft is plotting a future without OpenAI

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Post by scarface_74 »

bdangubic wrote: post #316
scarface_74 wrote: post #310

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> Case in point: Tesla/SpaceX meets your first criteria: "I want a tech company where people are there to make good products first and get paid second Tesla has never been a good product. https://insideevs.com/news/731559/tesla-least-reliable-used-... https://www.carscoops.com/2024/11/tesla-model-3-comes-bottom... https://www.topspeed.com/tesla-reliability-and-repair-costs-... Not to mention the infotainment system i…

Teslas are consistently rated high in customer satisfaction, but after several years of low ratings from top authorities in the industry, their reliability is undoubtedly in question. This is too funny to post alongside saying “Tesla has never been a good product.” Like “everyone that bought it loves it be car expert Joe from South Dakota ranks them very low.” Common sense also runs very much against this nonsense na…

You did see the link quoted from consumer reports? Are they not a reliable source?

On another note, Apple also sold millions of MacBooks with butterfly keyboards.

And Tesla sells are declining, losing market share worldwide and sells 1/5 the number of cars as Toyota

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Post by SllX »

swat535 wrote: post #318
toasterlovin wrote: post #256

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> I don't think you can call ChatGPT a product. It has zero switching cost. In consumer markets the moat is habits. The switching cost for Google Search is zero. The switching cost for Coke is zero. The switching cost for Crest toothpaste is zero. Yet nobody switches.

Not to nitpick but.. 1. The switching cost from Google Search is certainly not zero, it implies switching from Google, which is virtually impossible because it's tied to Chrome, YouTube, Android and Gmail 2. I don't know many people who are dedicated "Pepsi" fans, they just grab whatever drink is available Coke/Pepsi.. 3. I've also not heard many people who are never willing to switch from "Crest".. People will just…

I will nitpick this one:

> 1. The switching cost from Google Search is certainly not zero, it implies switching from Google, which is virtually impossible because it's tied to Chrome, YouTube, Android and Gmail

Google Search is a product. Not the whole company. Switching to most other search engines is $0. Naturally no one is honor bound to use anything else you listed either.

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Post by kiney »

bandrami wrote: post #206
kube-system wrote: post #124

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If truly equivalent (which LLMs aren't, but I'll entertain it), that doesn't seem mathematically out of line. Humans typically work 1/3rd duty cycle or less. A robot that can do what a human does is automatically 3x better because it doesn't eat, sleep, have a family, or have human rights.

So this is just going to end up like AWS where they worked out exactly how much it costs me to run a physical server and charge me just slightly less than that?

aws is vastly more expensive than running physical servers e.g. in colocation

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Post by iamdelirium »

grepLeigh wrote: post #224
bsimpson wrote: post #34

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There is a prominent subset of the tech crowd who are ladder climbers - ruthlessly pursuing what is rewarded with pay/title/prestige without regard to actually making good stuff. There are countless kidding-on-the-square jokes about projects where the innovators left at launch and passed it off to the maintenance team, or where a rebrand was in pursuit of someone's promo project. See also, killedbygoogle.com.

As an outsider looking at Microsoft, I've always been impressed by the attention to maintaining legacy APIs and backward compatibility in the Windows ecosystem. In my mind, Microsoft is at the opposite end of the killedbygoogle.com spectrum. However, none of this is grounded in real evidence (just perception). Red Hat is another company I'd put forth as an example of a long-term support culture, although I don't know…

I don't understand where this idea that Microsoft doesn't kill projects.

Zune, Games for Windows Live, Skype, Encarta, CodePlex, Windows Phone, Internet Explorer.

https://killedbymicrosoft.info/

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Post by JambalayaJimbo »

grepLeigh wrote: post #224
bsimpson wrote: post #34

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There is a prominent subset of the tech crowd who are ladder climbers - ruthlessly pursuing what is rewarded with pay/title/prestige without regard to actually making good stuff. There are countless kidding-on-the-square jokes about projects where the innovators left at launch and passed it off to the maintenance team, or where a rebrand was in pursuit of someone's promo project. See also, killedbygoogle.com.

As an outsider looking at Microsoft, I've always been impressed by the attention to maintaining legacy APIs and backward compatibility in the Windows ecosystem. In my mind, Microsoft is at the opposite end of the killedbygoogle.com spectrum. However, none of this is grounded in real evidence (just perception). Red Hat is another company I'd put forth as an example of a long-term support culture, although I don't know…

I am working for an enterprise customer of a niche Microsoft product. They haven’t killed it yet, despite us being possibly their only customer.

However, their documentation and support is really scant.

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Post by nprateem »

d--b wrote: post #140

OpenAI is over ambitious. Their chasing of AGI is killing them. They probably thought that burning cash was the way to get to AGI, and that on the way there they would make significant improvements over GPT 4 that they would be able to release as GPT 5. And that is just not happening. While pretty much everyone else is trying to increase efficiency, and specialize their models to niche areas, they keep on chasing AGI…

I think you misunderstand. The purpose of a business is for the founders to get rich. They already have by pumping AGI, etc. It's been a stunning success.

Investors OTOH...

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Post by 29athrowaway »

Microsoft is notorious for starting partnerships that end poorly.

Microsoft and IBM partnered to create OS/2, then they left the project and created Windows NT.

Microsoft and Sybase partnered to work on a database, then split and created MS SQL Server.

Microsoft partnered with Apple to work on Macintosh software, they learned from the Macintosh early access prototypes and created Windows 1.0 behind their back.

Microsoft "embraced" Java, tried to apply a extend/extinguish strategy and when they got sued they split and created .NET.

Microsoft joined the OpenGL ARB, stayed for a while, then left and created Direct3D. And started spreading fear about OpenGL performance on Windows.

Microsoft bought GitHub, told users they came in peace and loved open source, then took all the repository data and trained AI models with their code.

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Post by grepLeigh »

iamdelirium wrote: post #325
grepLeigh wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an outsider looking at Microsoft, I've always been impressed by the attention to maintaining legacy APIs and backward compatibility in the Windows ecosystem. In my mind, Microsoft is at the opposite end of the killedbygoogle.com spectrum. However, none of this is grounded in real evidence (just perception). Red Hat is another company I'd put forth as an example of a long-term support culture, although I don't know…

I don't understand where this idea that Microsoft doesn't kill projects. Zune, Games for Windows Live, Skype, Encarta, CodePlex, Windows Phone, Internet Explorer. https://killedbymicrosoft.info/

Hah, this is exactly what I was hoping to find. Thank you!
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