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The top 10% owns 87% of the stocks

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Re: The top 10% owns 87% of the stocks

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I think the importance of financial education is pretty underestimated. But just to illustrate, investing $10 a month into an index fund would mean something like $100K saved up for retirement. Even if you’re poor, it is usually possible to find that $10.

The calculation seems off by almost one order of magnitude. Even investing 10$ a month for 50 years (!), and managing to get a net return of 7% for such half a century, will build up only about 50K. Except that, by that time, even a modest inflation rate of 2.5% will make it worth less than 15K in real terms. Which makes sense, otherwise any childless person in the West with a decent job could save 1k a month and ret…

GP giving financial advice to the poor.

Re: The top 10% owns 87% of the stocks

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I think about this from time to time and I suppose everything is cyclical in the end. Most of us would have been some peasant in the feudal age and when it gets really bad it always ends in a revolution of some sort. It's just on a global scale and timeframe now. As more of the population feels the effects of inequality they won't appeased by just fancy toys and shiny things, they will want change by force. My only s…

It’s different this time around. The sheer complexity of society makes it hard to ascertain exactly the true nature of the situation. People who voted for trump aren’t even aware he’s part of the problem of wealth inequality. They aren’t even aware wealth inequality is the problem. At worst we will get an angry mob stampeding the White House with no real direction or objective. Are rich people the problem or is it th…

> People who voted for trump aren’t even aware he’s part of the problem of wealth inequality.

Its just amazing as an outsider to see the other side calling Trump voters they don't understand what they voted for.

Re: The top 10% owns 87% of the stocks

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Or that almost every person commenting in this thread should be aware that 'top 10%' means them.

Yes, this. And also that while the top 10% owns 87% of the stocks, it's also very likely that the top 0.1% owns 80% of the stocks.

I'm sure the top 0.1% will be blaming the top 0.001%...

Re: The top 10% owns 87% of the stocks

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Marxism is when people stand up for their rights I guess?

There are zero rights without obligations. Why do we never hear about the latter? To read about people standing up for their rights in a Marxist State read Robert Conquest's 570 pages of 'The Great Terror' - an account of the crimes committed against humanity in the name of the Soviet Communism that emerged from the 1917 revolution. 'We'll do it differently' is the usual response. Sadly this always leaves out appreci…

> There are zero rights without obligations. Why do we never hear about the latter?

I hear much about the latter. The right to freedom of speech vs. the obligation to not defame, to not pump up your own share price, to not leak state secrets, to not openly call for civil wars in foreign countries, etc.

The right to bear arms, vs. the obligation to keep them locked up so kids can't play with them.

While I share your opinion that revolutions are generally bad and messy things, there's plenty of people who think the rich are failing their obligations to the society which gave them the right to own property.

Re: The top 10% owns 87% of the stocks

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Not really. Stock value is just paper. Stocks going down just means they are valued less now relative to other stuff. Imagine if everyones socks were suddenly valued a million bucks, except yours. Would you "stay in the same place" or would you suddenly be too poor to afford to buy the labor of all the newly minted millionaires? I'd bet on the latter.

It’s hard to understand this scenario at all. If everyone’s socks suddenly became worth a million dollars but nothing else at all changed, the price would immediately crash back down when the first person tries to sell them and can’t because no one is going to pay a million dollars for socks.

If you want to make the example more intuitive you can imagine strain of fungi that has the potential to evolve to an incredibly potent medicine (prolonging life by 30 years) some day in the future. The fungi grows on everyones socks except your just by random chance.

Suddenly everyone in the world owns a vial of potentially the elixir of life, except you. Can you still buy tomatoes when your neighborhood has sold their socks to Bezos and they suddenly each have a million bucks of cash in hand?

Re: The top 10% owns 87% of the stocks

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Belarus had 500.000 people show up. But they got beat down. Hong Kong had millions of people show up. But it just led to massive crackdowns. Numbers mean nothing when the guys who own the guns are not on your side.

> Numbers mean nothing when the guys who own the guns are not on your side. Not saying it will turn out differently, but there are more guns circulating in the US than there are people. Nearly everyone has or can easily get access to a gun. US culture is also quite a bit different, celebrating violence, don't tread on me, etc... Again, it might not make a difference, but I'm not sure those other situations are compar…

If it actually does come to a new civil war, my money is still on whoever owns most of the military. Small arms are nice and well, but they don't help you a lot when the other guy has got APCs and tanks.

Re: The top 10% owns 87% of the stocks

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So a stock market and/or real estate crash can actually be good to reduce inequality . In fact I think its about the only way to dramatically reduce inequality. Think about young people trying to buy their 1st home now, its becoming impossible.

The 2008 stock market crash famously reduced inequality. Definitely didn't increase inequality by leaving the average person (via government bailouts) holding the bag.

The bailouts were paid back with interest.

QE was not, but, you know, everyone who owns assets or had a job turned out to be a beneficiary of it.

Re: The top 10% owns 87% of the stocks

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Genuine question - has this not been the case? It feels like this has been true just past stock market's inception.

the article says it's getting worse: > These numbers have all increased since 1989 as well — total wealth (60.8% to 67.3%), stocks (81.7% to 87.2%), private businesses (78.4% to 84.4%) and real estate (38.2% to 43.9%). So no. It has not always been like this.

Adjust for age demographics.

Pareto wealth distribution also gets more extreme heading into retirement ages due to the nature of compounding on productive assets.

Re: The top 10% owns 87% of the stocks

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For comparison, the war with Iraq (a far less formidable opponent than the globe-spanning British Empire) cost the US-UK alliance $1.1 trillion [1]. Musk's net worth is $353 billion [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_cost_of_the_Iraq_War [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Elon_Musk

George Washington didn't have Lockheed Martin's hand in his pocket. Wars were much cheaper when all you needed were men, horses and small arms.

> Wars were much cheaper when all you needed were men, horses and small arm.

Certainly not. You could not print money out of nothing for a fairly long time.

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